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Re: Dehydrating Heavily Water Laden Systems The King 01-13-2009
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Posted by The King on January 14, 2009, 5:20 pm
On Wed, 14 Jan 2009 05:45:42 -0800 (PST), mobrien.acrtc@googlemail.com
wrote:

>> On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 14:34:42 -0800 (PST), "Marc O'Brien"
>> >With new installations we would ordinarily start the pre-commissioning
>> >tests with a strength pressure test, perhaps for 30 mins, followed by
>> >a 24hr tightness. Then there is a 24hr vacuum finished off with a 30
>> >minute vacuum rise test for moisture.
>> >Is this similar to your procedures?
>> Yup yup except I use a micron gauge to gauge the evacuation time.
>> >Assuming the piping system inadvertently took on say a pint of water
>> >with out you knowing. What would you expect to see on the Torr gauge
>> >after a 24 hr vacuum.
>> Five gallons of used vaccum pump oil and a micron gauge reading of
>> 25000.  :)
>> >I have done a few calculations and have recently made a discovery
>> >which I'd like to share but first I ask the above to set a benchmark
>> >against which to discover what is common practice and what might
>> >become new practice.
>> Marc I had a chiller barrel leak and it took me damn near a week to
>> de-hyrdrate the system after I replaced the barrel and it was only a
>> 50 ton machine.
>My next article in the UK industry magazine I write routinely for will
>be on how I insist that the industry's traditional moisture checking
>method be changed. I believe it is flawed. I don't want to give all
>the details right now because I first want to be sure that no one else
>known to me is aware of the flaw I have identified.
I propose that you first post it here and we will pick at it so you
don't end up making a industry wide fool out of yourself.
Just kidding. :)

Post a link to the article when it is published, it sounds
interesting.

Posted by Marc O'Brien - ACRTC on January 19, 2009, 12:02 am
> On Wed, 14 Jan 2009 05:45:42 -0800 (PST), mobrien.ac...@googlemail.com
> wrote:
> >> On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 14:34:42 -0800 (PST), "Marc O'Brien"
> >> >With new installations we would ordinarily start the pre-commissionin=
g
> >> >tests with a strength pressure test, perhaps for 30 mins, followed by
> >> >a 24hr tightness. Then there is a 24hr vacuum finished off with a 30
> >> >minute vacuum rise test for moisture.
> >> >Is this similar to your procedures?
> >> Yup yup except I use a micron gauge to gauge the evacuation time.
> >> >Assuming the piping system inadvertently took on say a pint of water
> >> >with out you knowing. What would you expect to see on the Torr gauge
> >> >after a 24 hr vacuum.
> >> Five gallons of used vaccum pump oil and a micron gauge reading of
> >> 25000. =A0:)
> >> >I have done a few calculations and have recently made a discovery
> >> >which I'd like to share but first I ask the above to set a benchmark
> >> >against which to discover what is common practice and what might
> >> >become new practice.
> >> Marc I had a chiller barrel leak and it took me damn near a week to
> >> de-hyrdrate the system after I replaced the barrel and it was only a
> >> 50 ton machine.
> >My next article in the UK industry magazine I write routinely for will
> >be on how I insist that the industry's traditional moisture checking
> >method be changed. I believe it is flawed. I don't want to give all
> >the details right now because I first want to be sure that no one else
> >known to me is aware of the flaw I have identified.
> I propose that you first post it here and we will pick at it so you
> don't end up making a industry wide fool out of yourself.
> Just kidding. =A0:)
> Post a link to the article when it is published, it sounds
> interesting.- Hide quoted text -
> - Show quoted text -

Mike, I will post some of the thoughts here.

I will be posting the majority of the thinking an illustrations on
http://hvacrforums.com

Posted by Marc O'Brien - ACRTC on January 14, 2009, 2:31 pm
> On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 14:34:42 -0800 (PST), "Marc O'Brien"
> One of my favorite things to do is put a small amount of water in a
> sealed glass jar and observe the process of moisture removal with an
> apprentice. =A0 Its fun to watch the micron gauge to see at what level
> things take place. =A0
> At first the water boils violently then it turns to ice then it
> sublimes and disappears.

I've uploaded a video of the ice we removed from one of the suction
strainers on the system recently meant to be commissioned if it
weren't for the water.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3D4949654726386542615

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