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Re: Getting a more efficient heat pump <kjpro 09-24-2007
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Posted by on September 24, 2007, 1:14 am

> kjpro @ usenet.com wrote:
> >
> >>kjpro @ usenet.com wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>kjpro @ usenet.com wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>kjpro @ usenet.com wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>FWIW, our peak day this year was August 12. Our AC ran for 11
hours
> >>>
> >>>40
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>minutes.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Straight or in a 24 hr period?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>In a 24 hour period, midnight to midnight.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>I hope that wasn't at design temperature.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>Whatever design parameters were used 25 years ago when the house was
> >>>>built have been forgotten long ago. And the original designer
couldn't
> >>>>have known what temperature profile I would now set in my programmable
> >>>>thermostat (especially since I don't think such thermostats were even
> >>>>on the market yet back then), nor could (s)he have known that I would
> >>>>have installed a radiant barrier in my attic, nor many other factors
> >>>>that affect the AC load. So there's really not much sense in
discussing
> >>>>whether the peak day this year was at "design temperature" or not. In
> >>>>fact, one might argue that design by rule can't hope to get very close
> >>>>to the "right" answer, particularly when load patterns can change over
> >>>>time (e.g. I could install more insulation or the insulation I have
> >>>>could compact and lose its effectiveness, I could throw more/fewer
> >>>>parties with lots of heat-exhaling guests, global warming could affect
> >>>>the climate, I could plant trees which over time could mature and
shade
> >>>>the house, I could install blinds and draperies, I could paint the
> >>>>house a different color and install a different color roof, etc.).
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Geez.... 25 years old, replace that old energy hog!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>Replacing it would be uneconomical.
> >
> >
> >
> > Not likely.
> >
> >
> like you would have a clue


You sure don't.



Posted by CJT on September 24, 2007, 6:12 pm
kjpro @ usenet.com wrote:
>
>>kjpro @ usenet.com wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>kjpro @ usenet.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>kjpro @ usenet.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>kjpro @ usenet.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>FWIW, our peak day this year was August 12. Our AC ran for 11
>
> hours
>
>>>>>40
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>minutes.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Straight or in a 24 hr period?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>In a 24 hour period, midnight to midnight.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I hope that wasn't at design temperature.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Whatever design parameters were used 25 years ago when the house was
>>>>>>built have been forgotten long ago. And the original designer
>
> couldn't
>
>>>>>>have known what temperature profile I would now set in my programmable
>>>>>>thermostat (especially since I don't think such thermostats were even
>>>>>>on the market yet back then), nor could (s)he have known that I would
>>>>>>have installed a radiant barrier in my attic, nor many other factors
>>>>>>that affect the AC load. So there's really not much sense in
>
> discussing
>
>>>>>>whether the peak day this year was at "design temperature" or not. In
>>>>>>fact, one might argue that design by rule can't hope to get very close
>>>>>>to the "right" answer, particularly when load patterns can change over
>>>>>>time (e.g. I could install more insulation or the insulation I have
>>>>>>could compact and lose its effectiveness, I could throw more/fewer
>>>>>>parties with lots of heat-exhaling guests, global warming could affect
>>>>>>the climate, I could plant trees which over time could mature and
>
> shade
>
>>>>>>the house, I could install blinds and draperies, I could paint the
>>>>>>house a different color and install a different color roof, etc.).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Geez.... 25 years old, replace that old energy hog!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Replacing it would be uneconomical.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Not likely.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>like you would have a clue
>
>
>
> You sure don't.
>
>

???

You're talking some real nonsense, boy.

I know a lot more about what it costs to run my AC than you do.

And I question the value of any economic analysis you do _without_ that
information.

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Posted by on September 24, 2007, 7:10 pm

> kjpro @ usenet.com wrote:
> >
> >>kjpro @ usenet.com wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>kjpro @ usenet.com wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>kjpro @ usenet.com wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>kjpro @ usenet.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>FWIW, our peak day this year was August 12. Our AC ran for 11
> >
> > hours
> >
> >>>>>40
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>minutes.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>Straight or in a 24 hr period?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>In a 24 hour period, midnight to midnight.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>I hope that wasn't at design temperature.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Whatever design parameters were used 25 years ago when the house was
> >>>>>>built have been forgotten long ago. And the original designer
> >
> > couldn't
> >
> >>>>>>have known what temperature profile I would now set in my
programmable
> >>>>>>thermostat (especially since I don't think such thermostats were
even
> >>>>>>on the market yet back then), nor could (s)he have known that I
would
> >>>>>>have installed a radiant barrier in my attic, nor many other factors
> >>>>>>that affect the AC load. So there's really not much sense in
> >
> > discussing
> >
> >>>>>>whether the peak day this year was at "design temperature" or not.
In
> >>>>>>fact, one might argue that design by rule can't hope to get very
close
> >>>>>>to the "right" answer, particularly when load patterns can change
over
> >>>>>>time (e.g. I could install more insulation or the insulation I have
> >>>>>>could compact and lose its effectiveness, I could throw more/fewer
> >>>>>>parties with lots of heat-exhaling guests, global warming could
affect
> >>>>>>the climate, I could plant trees which over time could mature and
> >
> > shade
> >
> >>>>>>the house, I could install blinds and draperies, I could paint the
> >>>>>>house a different color and install a different color roof, etc.).
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Geez.... 25 years old, replace that old energy hog!
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>Replacing it would be uneconomical.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Not likely.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>like you would have a clue
> >
> >
> >
> > You sure don't.
> >
> >
>
> ???
>
> You're talking some real nonsense, boy.


Boy, if you see a boy, you must be looking in a mirror.


> I know a lot more about what it costs to run my AC than you do.


I know *a lot* more about properly sized units that save on operational
costs.
Which is what you lack.


> And I question the value of any economic analysis you do _without_ that
> information.


A moron would question facts.
Why, cause their not smart enough to understand the details.



Posted by CJT on September 24, 2007, 9:34 pm
kjpro @ usenet.com wrote:

<snip>

>
>
> I know *a lot* more about properly sized units that save on operational
> costs.
> Which is what you lack.
>
>
<snip>
>
> A moron would question facts.
> Why, cause their not smart enough to understand the details.
>
>

Having read what you've written, I'm convinced you know squat.

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Posted by on September 24, 2007, 11:58 pm

> kjpro @ usenet.com wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> >
> >
> > I know *a lot* more about properly sized units that save on operational
> > costs.
> > Which is what you lack.
> >
> >
> <snip>
> >
> > A moron would question facts.
> > Why, cause their not smart enough to understand the details.
> >
> >
>
> Having read what you've written, I'm convinced you know squat.


Don't know her, but I do understand that you know very little about HVAC.



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