Re: O T UNION BUSTING

Posted by Steve on December 11, 2008, 9:47 pm

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Its like this sport, nobody making $5.50/hr can afford to buy a car built by
assembly line workers that are making $75/hr. Either the Big 3 file
bankruptcy, dump the UAW, and then adopt the same wage scale and business
plan as Toyota, or they will go under.

Posted by The King on December 11, 2008, 10:25 pm

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Steve you act like the auto worker sees 75 an hour. They do not make
that much. They make 26 something for the old guys and new hires get
14 something. It may cost 75 an hour but that include jets and yachts
and billion dollar bonuses.
Nobody making 5.50 an hour or 14 for that matter, can afford to buy
any new car regardless of who makes it. All the car makers have
posted record low sales even the forien car makers that employ the low
wage forien in the south.
A family man who has kids and a stay at home wife with a mortgage
making 14 an hour is not likely to go out and buy a new car whether
its a lexus or a cobalt.
You need at least both parents working full time. leave the kids in
day care for a stranger to raise and then maybe, if there lucky they
can buy a new car. Meanwhile the kids are running rampant and getting
stupider by the day doomed for more low wage non union work courtesy
of union bashing morons.
Its not rocket science, if people don't make a certain amount they
cant do more than survive let alone buy a new car. Any new car. low
wage service shit jobs don't cut it.
Wages are based on a national average for the better jobs and the
higher the average the better off everyone is.
Low wages = less purchases= company failures = higher unemployment =
less purchasers = less sold = more companies belly up = continual
downward spiral. Which is what we have now.
Henry Ford had the idea that he needed to pay his workers enough to
purchase what they made. That's why he succeeded. Not because he
wanted to fuck the working man to tears and rake in big bucks.

Posted by .p.jm on December 11, 2008, 10:45 pm

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 22:25:37 -0500, The King <The
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        And how many lame-asses sitting around in the 'Job Bank',
featherbedding, because the companies aren't allowed by UAW contracts
to adjust staff levels to business needs ?
        And how about that fully-paid total-coverage lifetime health
insurance ? And the pensions ?
        And WTF does ANYONE working on an assembly line, where the job
skills can be learned in less than a week, make $ 26 / hour + bene's ?
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        Maybe the days of 'one salary supports all that', especially
for a low-skill job like 'assembly line droid' are long gone. Except
in certain places like Detroit where it's mandated by contract.
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        Bullshit.
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Posted by geothermaljones on December 11, 2008, 11:19 pm

Ouch pms... didn't you get your job app in early enough at the auto plant?
If your so angry, you might want to spend a few moments with your animals...
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Posted by The King on December 11, 2008, 11:48 pm

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 22:45:20 -0500, .p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com
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For many laid off workers, the jobs bank is a way to get a check but
its not a freeload as portrayed. Most do community service of some
sort. Habitant for humanity and other public services like cutting
grass in the park. Its basic Soc 101. We need to have people to do
the menial stuff but they also need to live in our world comfortably.
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Sounds good to me. Try and afford health care when you really need it
on SS. Try it on our 401s that are tanking like a rock. Most old
head GM retired guys that get good pensions also buy a new Buick or
something every year. Im not kiddin. Hey its good for the companies
to have loyal repeat customers.
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I know it sounds easy. Install a few thousand rear view mirrors or
whatever. In truth life long assy line workers come out of it with
broken backs from years of repetitive motion and OTJ injuries, It can
be taxing on the body after a while. Try shoveling the same pile from
on side to the other all day and you will get the picture. It doesn't
matter whether your swinging engine blocks or wiping finger prints.
Its work that cripples you up. Somebody has to do it. Cars arent
made by magic. All a wage is, is an incentive to do something for
somebody else. Building cars is easier in some respects now then in
the old days. Now we have robots that fly sparks all day instead off
some guy doing it by hand and going blind after 30 yrs. The
automation which helped prevent injury lessened jobs but helped the
remaining. Some what. Not all processes can be easily automated. The
jobs that are left are higher skill jobs. Like fixing robots on the
assy line. Theres plenty of grunt work and its usually pretty dirty.
Take a walk through the Rouge Casting Plant and tell me 27 an hour is
too much. Pick up four hundred SUV tires out of a bin to be
installed. Most of the easy stuff is done by older people that have
done the hard stuff for twenty or more years. It gets to the point to
where you cant do it anymore.
After 30=40yrs and you cant work are you suppose to roll up and go
away somewhere or what. Pensions are bad or just company pensions.
Why should we pay taxes to treasure up a fund to pay for old GM & ect
workers. Let GM/Ford/Chrysler/Toyota/Kia or who ever pay them. Let
the companies responsible for breaking the bodys down pay for the
breakage. Remember, cars arent made by magic.
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The same jobs will still be there. Just lower wages for the same work.
provided to us from the folks that brought us Pearl harbor. Its a
downward economical spiral. Honestly I think we need one wage earner
nuclear type families to keep us strong as a nation.
From what I have observed, families with two working parents tend to
raise kids that don't have any clue nor do they have any manners,
morals, ambition, ect. Not all of course, but a large majority.
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Sure they are. Unions have long set the standard for higher skilled
workers who in turn influences the lowest wage to be somewhat higher.
Not everyone can live on two dollars and a sack of rice a week.
Like in the olden days when men were men and shit like that. :)

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