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Posted by on January 19, 2009, 8:16 pm
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>funny thing here is that usually any workers that do choose to excercize
>their "right to work" will still end up drawing full union pay and
>benefits--IOW just dont pay any union dues.
In my experience, that doesn't hold. The union members, and
union shop stewards, negotiated ALL payscales, and by funny
coincidence the job titles where the people in those titles were union
members got $ 4 / hour raises, while the job titles where the people
in them ( like me ) were NOT in the union, got $ 0.40 / hour.
And the union rep got REAL pissed when he was asked about this
( by me ) in his own meeting.
>http://www.auburn.edu/~johnspm/gloss/right-to-work
>"Defenders of right-to-work laws tend to argue that workers who refuse to
>join unions mainly do so because they just do not value the collective
>bargaining services that unions perform and/or because they disagree with
>the political causes that unions support with their dues money. Opponents of
>right-to-work laws tend to see refusal to join a union mainly as attempting
>to be a free rider who enjoys the very real benefits of union representation
>without having to pay his fair share of the cost."
Union payscales , by definition, say that 'people get paid
according to job title and seniority', where some people ( like me )
believe that people should be paid based on things like job skills,
work productivity, etc. Whose dick you sucked to get promoted to a
higher paying title shouldn't be the way to get ahead.
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Posted by The King on January 19, 2009, 8:28 pm
On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 20:16:03 -0500, .p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com
wrote:
>wrote:
>>funny thing here is that usually any workers that do choose to excercize
>>their "right to work" will still end up drawing full union pay and
>>benefits--IOW just dont pay any union dues.
> In my experience, that doesn't hold. The union members, and
>union shop stewards, negotiated ALL payscales, and by funny
>coincidence the job titles where the people in those titles were union
>members got $ 4 / hour raises, while the job titles where the people
>in them ( like me ) were NOT in the union, got $ 0.40 / hour.
> And the union rep got REAL pissed when he was asked about this
>( by me ) in his own meeting.
>>http://www.auburn.edu/~johnspm/gloss/right-to-work
>>"Defenders of right-to-work laws tend to argue that workers who refuse to
>>join unions mainly do so because they just do not value the collective
>>bargaining services that unions perform and/or because they disagree with
>>the political causes that unions support with their dues money. Opponents of
>>right-to-work laws tend to see refusal to join a union mainly as attempting
>>to be a free rider who enjoys the very real benefits of union representation
>>without having to pay his fair share of the cost."
> Union payscales , by definition, say that 'people get paid
>according to job title and seniority',
Yup. That's why a journeyman makes more than a greenhorn apprentice.
>where some people ( like me )
>believe that people should be paid based on things like job skills,
>work productivity, etc.
Which is how it works. Low skilled apprentice don't get journeyman
rates. And they don't make journeyman unless they can do the job.
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Posted by on January 19, 2009, 8:41 pm
On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 20:28:14 -0500, The King
>On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 20:16:03 -0500, .p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com
>wrote:
>>wrote:
>>>funny thing here is that usually any workers that do choose to excercize
>>>their "right to work" will still end up drawing full union pay and
>>>benefits--IOW just dont pay any union dues.
>> In my experience, that doesn't hold. The union members, and
>>union shop stewards, negotiated ALL payscales, and by funny
>>coincidence the job titles where the people in those titles were union
>>members got $ 4 / hour raises, while the job titles where the people
>>in them ( like me ) were NOT in the union, got $ 0.40 / hour.
>> And the union rep got REAL pissed when he was asked about this
>>( by me ) in his own meeting.
>>>http://www.auburn.edu/~johnspm/gloss/right-to-work
>>>"Defenders of right-to-work laws tend to argue that workers who refuse to
>>>join unions mainly do so because they just do not value the collective
>>>bargaining services that unions perform and/or because they disagree with
>>>the political causes that unions support with their dues money. Opponents of
>>>right-to-work laws tend to see refusal to join a union mainly as attempting
>>>to be a free rider who enjoys the very real benefits of union representation
>>>without having to pay his fair share of the cost."
>> Union payscales , by definition, say that 'people get paid
>>according to job title and seniority',
>Yup. That's why a journeyman makes more than a greenhorn apprentice.
That's why an incompetent journeyman makes more than an
excellent greehorn who knows and does twice as much.
>>where some people ( like me )
>>believe that people should be paid based on things like job skills,
>>work productivity, etc.
>Which is how it works. Low skilled apprentice don't get journeyman
>rates. And they don't make journeyman unless they can do the job.
Bullshit. They get promoted when seniority SAYS they get
promoted, and nothing else. First in = first up, period.
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Posted by American Eagle on January 20, 2009, 2:09 am
.p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 20:28:14 -0500, The King
>
>> On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 20:16:03 -0500, .p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com
>> wrote:
>>> wrote:
>>>> funny thing here is that usually any workers that do choose to excercize
>>>> their "right to work" will still end up drawing full union pay and
>>>> benefits--IOW just dont pay any union dues.
>>> In my experience, that doesn't hold. The union members, and
>>> union shop stewards, negotiated ALL payscales, and by funny
>>> coincidence the job titles where the people in those titles were union
>>> members got $ 4 / hour raises, while the job titles where the people
>>> in them ( like me ) were NOT in the union, got $ 0.40 / hour.
>>> And the union rep got REAL pissed when he was asked about this
>>> ( by me ) in his own meeting.
>>>> http://www.auburn.edu/~johnspm/gloss/right-to-work
>>>> "Defenders of right-to-work laws tend to argue that workers who refuse to
>>>> join unions mainly do so because they just do not value the collective
>>>> bargaining services that unions perform and/or because they disagree with
>>>> the political causes that unions support with their dues money. Opponents of
>>>> right-to-work laws tend to see refusal to join a union mainly as attempting
>>>> to be a free rider who enjoys the very real benefits of union representation
>>>> without having to pay his fair share of the cost."
>>> Union payscales , by definition, say that 'people get paid
>>> according to job title and seniority',
>> Yup. That's why a journeyman makes more than a greenhorn apprentice.
>
> That's why an incompetent journeyman makes more than an
> excellent greehorn who knows and does twice as much.
>
>>> where some people ( like me )
>>> believe that people should be paid based on things like job skills,
>>> work productivity, etc.
>> Which is how it works. Low skilled apprentice don't get journeyman
>> rates. And they don't make journeyman unless they can do the job.
>
> Bullshit. They get promoted when seniority SAYS they get
> promoted, and nothing else. First in = first up, period.
I think Marc probably turns a nice dollar/pound/whatever, and I don't
think he kisses any Union Thugs ass.
>
>
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Posted by on January 20, 2009, 10:25 am
>.p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com wrote:
>> On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 20:28:14 -0500, The King
>>
>>> On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 20:16:03 -0500, .p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com
>>> wrote:
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> funny thing here is that usually any workers that do choose to excercize
>>>>> their "right to work" will still end up drawing full union pay and
>>>>> benefits--IOW just dont pay any union dues.
>>>> In my experience, that doesn't hold. The union members, and
>>>> union shop stewards, negotiated ALL payscales, and by funny
>>>> coincidence the job titles where the people in those titles were union
>>>> members got $ 4 / hour raises, while the job titles where the people
>>>> in them ( like me ) were NOT in the union, got $ 0.40 / hour.
>>>> And the union rep got REAL pissed when he was asked about this
>>>> ( by me ) in his own meeting.
>>>>> http://www.auburn.edu/~johnspm/gloss/right-to-work
>>>>> "Defenders of right-to-work laws tend to argue that workers who refuse to
>>>>> join unions mainly do so because they just do not value the collective
>>>>> bargaining services that unions perform and/or because they disagree with
>>>>> the political causes that unions support with their dues money. Opponents
of
>>>>> right-to-work laws tend to see refusal to join a union mainly as attempting
>>>>> to be a free rider who enjoys the very real benefits of union
representation
>>>>> without having to pay his fair share of the cost."
>>>> Union payscales , by definition, say that 'people get paid
>>>> according to job title and seniority',
>>> Yup. That's why a journeyman makes more than a greenhorn apprentice.
>>
>> That's why an incompetent journeyman makes more than an
>> excellent greehorn who knows and does twice as much.
>>
>>>> where some people ( like me )
>>>> believe that people should be paid based on things like job skills,
>>>> work productivity, etc.
>>> Which is how it works. Low skilled apprentice don't get journeyman
>>> rates. And they don't make journeyman unless they can do the job.
>>
>> Bullshit. They get promoted when seniority SAYS they get
>> promoted, and nothing else. First in = first up, period.
>I think Marc probably turns a nice dollar/pound/whatever, and I don't
>think he kisses any Union Thugs ass.
He isn't in a union, either.
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'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.'
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>their "right to work" will still end up drawing full union pay and
>benefits--IOW just dont pay any union dues.