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Re: Walk-in freezer warm Bubba 09-23-2007
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Posted by Bubba on September 23, 2007, 9:12 pm
wrote:

>Hi:
>
>I'm fairly new to the trade. I am employed by a company that owns 40+
>McDonalds.
>
>I am having an issue with a Bohn/Heathcraft MAC 8G unit.
>
>The original call was for a warm box. When I assessed the system, I quickly
>found that the system was off on the HPCO. I reluctantly hoisted a recovery
>unit on the roof and dropped the head pressure to about 300#. I would have
>gone lower, but the low side pressure was only at 20# (this is a R404
>system).
>
>All went well for about 24 hours. Then I got a call again. This time, the
>head was at about 350# and the suction was in a slight vacuum. The sight
>glass thus far has been full and clear.
>
>I attempted to add some gas. The sight glass on my gauges was indicating
>that gas was transferring, but the head went up very slow and no matter how
>much gas I tried to put in, the suction pressure always went below zero,
>usually very slowly.
>
>I checked the EEV, that was opening and closing. Checked the pressures on
>the other side of filters/driers where possible. There was no difference.
>
>I spoke to our lead technician. he agreed that I checked all that I could
>and it must be the control circuit board in the box. I changed that. No
>difference. Previously I had also changed all four sensors in the box as
>the room temp sensor was giving erratic readings.
>
>Like I said, I'm fairly new to the trade (one year). Anybody have any ideas
>as to what I might be overlooking?
>
>Thanks
>Glenn
>

I know Im going to regret jumping in here but I think we all know me
by now...........muhahaha
First off, I dont have a clue what box you're working on and Ive never
used R-404.
That being said.......
Why would you suck refrigerant out of a unit? Did you check to see any
service record on it prior to when you got there?
When you dropped it to 350 on the head and still had a low suction why
did you button it up and hope it would fix itself?
Then you started adding refrigerant and then found the unit in a
vacuum? What made you think the sight glass was full while running in
a vacuum?
You asked your lead tech and that was the answer he came up with?
WOW! You company must be full of dunderheads. Next time you get a
chance, pull out your sledgehammer and what that dumbshit over the
head with it. I feel for you if you are only a one year tech. You need
some training and so does your company.
Id be interested in checking out your metering device REAL HARD.
Have fun.
Bubba

Posted by Stormin Mormon on September 24, 2007, 7:58 am
: wrote:
:
: >Hi:
: >
: >I'm fairly new to the trade. I am employed by a company that owns 40+
: >McDonalds.

CY: Yep, they sure do have a lot of refrigeration equipment. Both the walk
in coolers, and the portable coolers. Milk shake machine, etc.

: >
: >I am having an issue with a Bohn/Heathcraft MAC 8G unit.
: >
: >The original call was for a warm box. When I assessed the system, I
quickly
: >found that the system was off on the HPCO.

CY: When a system trips a high pressure cut off, there are several likely
causes. Included are..... air in the system, dirty condensor, clogged
metering device. Did you check any of the line temperatures? An infared
thermometer is a good device to have. I've found it useful to check the
liquid line filter drier after the condensor. If it's more than a couple
degrees over room temp, you should be thinking dirty condensor, or low air
flow through the condensor.


I reluctantly hoisted a recovery
: >unit on the roof and dropped the head pressure to about 300#. I would
have
: >gone lower, but the low side pressure was only at 20# (this is a R404
: >system).

CY: Unless there was some evidence that another tech had over charged the
system, I wouldn't be thinking in terms of removing refrigerant.

: >
: >All went well for about 24 hours. Then I got a call again. This time,
the
: >head was at about 350# and the suction was in a slight vacuum. The sight
: >glass thus far has been full and clear.

CY: With even less gas, it is still tripping the high head? So, check some
temps and see if the system is suffering from dirty condensor. Or, air int
he system.

: >
: >I attempted to add some gas. The sight glass on my gauges was indicating
: >that gas was transferring, but the head went up very slow and no matter
how
: >much gas I tried to put in, the suction pressure always went below zero,
: >usually very slowly.

CY: So, the system is taking the gas out of the low side, and pumping it
into the high side. But, the low side never seems to get the gas back. That
sounds like a restriction of some kind, the gas isn't going through the
evaporator some how. Clogged filter, or bad TXV perhaps.

: >
: >I checked the EEV, that was opening and closing. Checked the pressures
on
: >the other side of filters/driers where possible. There was no
difference.
: >
: >I spoke to our lead technician. he agreed that I checked all that I
could

CY: Well, no, you didn't check any of the temperatures of the refrigerant
lines. Check the superheat, subcooling, and temp of the liquid line filter
drier after the condensor.

: >and it must be the control circuit board in the box. I changed that. No
: >difference. Previously I had also changed all four sensors in the box as
: >the room temp sensor was giving erratic readings.

CY: I can think of a few more things to check.

: >
: >Like I said, I'm fairly new to the trade (one year). Anybody have any
ideas
: >as to what I might be overlooking?

CY: Yes, I can think of several things. Read what I wrote, following my
initials, and that will give you several more things to check. Please let us
know how things work out.

: >
: >Thanks
: >Glenn
: >
:
: I know Im going to regret jumping in here but I think we all know me
: by now...........muhahaha
: First off, I dont have a clue what box you're working on and Ive never
: used R-404.
: That being said.......
: Why would you suck refrigerant out of a unit? Did you check to see any
: service record on it prior to when you got there?
: When you dropped it to 350 on the head and still had a low suction why
: did you button it up and hope it would fix itself?
: Then you started adding refrigerant and then found the unit in a
: vacuum? What made you think the sight glass was full while running in
: a vacuum?
: You asked your lead tech and that was the answer he came up with?
: WOW! You company must be full of dunderheads. Next time you get a
: chance, pull out your sledgehammer and what that dumbshit over the
: head with it. I feel for you if you are only a one year tech. You need
: some training and so does your company.
: Id be interested in checking out your metering device REAL HARD.
: Have fun.
: Bubba



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