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Reasonable price for glycol loop tie-in... essenz 04-15-2008
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Posted by KJPRO on April 17, 2008, 1:18 pm

> Yes, I have seen the costs of copper, glycol, R-22, and I love how
> everybody blams high prices on materials.


Don't forget about other expenses. You know, like....

Truck Fuel
Truck insurance
Tools
Liability Insurance
Workmen's Comp
Tool/inventory insurance
Sales Tax
Phone bill
Cell phone
Electric bill
Heating bill
Shop rent/morgage payment
Health insurance
Retirement plan
Truck maintenance/upkeep
Local taxes
State taxes
Federal taxes
SS taxes
Medicare taxes
Vacation pay
Sick pay
Secretary's wages
Inventory overhead
Inventory manager's wages
Salesmen's wages
Brazing materials
Brazing fuel
Advertisement
Yellow page ads
Office computers
Office expenses
Postage
Shipping
Fuel surcharges
Delivery costs
Tool replacement
Tool consummables
Internet bill
State license fee
Local license fee
Permit fees

The list is much longer than this...


> 1 1/4" Copper pipe is $8 per LF, 60 feet total is $480
> 50lb cylinder of R-22 is $135


50 lb for $135... BULLSHIT!!!!!!


> 5 gallons of Glycol is $155 (60 feet of 1 1/4" pipe at 50% mix is
> approx 2 gallons)
> Hangers and ceiling anchors approx $100
>
> So thats $870 in materials, for a job quoted at $9800.
>
> And the job is running two pipes 30 feet, with a couple of 90 degree
> bends, maybe 10 sweated connections on total. A two man crew should be
> able to finish this is 2 days.


If it's so easy.... DO-IT-YOURSELF!!!


> So in my honest opinion, $9800 is an absurd price. They did the job
> for $5200 3 months prior, and I doubt they lost money on the deal.
<snip>


Copper prices change daily. Fuel costs change daily.
Fuel costs effect almost everything in today's world, where have you been
hiding? (under a rock)



Posted by Dr. Hardcrab on April 17, 2008, 5:57 pm



.> 50lb cylinder of R-22 is $135


Please tell me where you found it at that price and I'll buy 10 skids....


Posted by KJPRO on April 15, 2008, 8:52 pm

> My contractor is really sticking it to me with a new 5-ton Liebert
> unit I need connected to the buildings glycol loop.
>
> Our original unit was done for $5200. The unit was about 50 feet from
> the tie-in location.
>
> Now we have a second unit that is only 35 feet from tie-in, and they
> want $9800 for the hookup and R-22 charging of the unit.
>
> Am I out-of-place in questioning the contractor? $9800 seems like alot
> of money for simply connecting a glycol-cooled Liebert to an existing
> loop.
>
> I figure $800 or so for 1-1/4" pipe, $200 for glycol, $150 for R-22,
> and the rest is labor/profit.
>
> -john


Have you priced anything else that you bought a year ago????

If not, just think about gasoline or diesel...
Things are going up... EXTREMELY!!!!!!!



Posted by Noon-Air on April 16, 2008, 7:50 am

>
>> My contractor is really sticking it to me with a new 5-ton Liebert
>> unit I need connected to the buildings glycol loop.
>>
>> Our original unit was done for $5200. The unit was about 50 feet from
>> the tie-in location.
>>
>> Now we have a second unit that is only 35 feet from tie-in, and they
>> want $9800 for the hookup and R-22 charging of the unit.
>>
>> Am I out-of-place in questioning the contractor? $9800 seems like alot
>> of money for simply connecting a glycol-cooled Liebert to an existing
>> loop.
>>
>> I figure $800 or so for 1-1/4" pipe, $200 for glycol, $150 for R-22,
>> and the rest is labor/profit.
>>
>> -john
>
>
> Have you priced anything else that you bought a year ago????
>
> If not, just think about gasoline or diesel...
> Things are going up... EXTREMELY!!!!!!!

Diesel is at $4.00/gal here today, regular gasoline is still at $3.30 and is
supposed to go up again this week.

If the price of fuel goes up much more, I will have to raise my prices
again, even tho the folks around here don't have the $$$ to pay it. Even
"Bubba" had to raise his prices because his wife was tired of having to
support his business.


Posted by Bubba on April 17, 2008, 7:44 am
wrote:

>
>>
>>> My contractor is really sticking it to me with a new 5-ton Liebert
>>> unit I need connected to the buildings glycol loop.
>>>
>>> Our original unit was done for $5200. The unit was about 50 feet from
>>> the tie-in location.
>>>
>>> Now we have a second unit that is only 35 feet from tie-in, and they
>>> want $9800 for the hookup and R-22 charging of the unit.
>>>
>>> Am I out-of-place in questioning the contractor? $9800 seems like alot
>>> of money for simply connecting a glycol-cooled Liebert to an existing
>>> loop.
>>>
>>> I figure $800 or so for 1-1/4" pipe, $200 for glycol, $150 for R-22,
>>> and the rest is labor/profit.
>>>
>>> -john
>>
>>
>> Have you priced anything else that you bought a year ago????
>>
>> If not, just think about gasoline or diesel...
>> Things are going up... EXTREMELY!!!!!!!
>
>Diesel is at $4.00/gal here today, regular gasoline is still at $3.30 and is
>supposed to go up again this week.
>
>If the price of fuel goes up much more, I will have to raise my prices
>again, even tho the folks around here don't have the $$$ to pay it. Even
>"Bubba" had to raise his prices because his wife was tired of having to
>support his business.

Oh, I think that left me a little mark. :-)
I wish she would support me. Then I'd quit and let her do it all.
Bubba

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