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Refrigerant Capacity Info Request ktb 10-17-2006
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Posted by ktb on October 17, 2006, 11:57 am
Could someone please provide me with the refrigerant capacity for the
following:

Ruud Model : UPCA-030JBS
Mfd: 03/1984

The reason I am asking is because I have been quoted an amount by the
service company for Freon Reclamation in the amount of $225.00. (This is
the service company that has been contracted on behalf of my Service
Contractor, and the Serive Contract I have doesn't cover Freon
Reclamation)

I contacted 4 other companies and got varying quotes for Reclamation and
Disposal of between $75-131 -- so the $225 seems way out of line. One
company gave me a specific figure of $15/lb fee for reclamation and
disposal; thus my need to find out what the capacity actually is.

I tried contacting a Ruud authorized service company, but they haven't
gotten back to me yet.

Any help with this would be greatly appreciated.

Posted by Noon-Air on October 17, 2006, 1:14 pm

> Could someone please provide me with the refrigerant capacity for the
> following:
>
> Ruud Model : UPCA-030JBS
> Mfd: 03/1984
>
> The reason I am asking is because I have been quoted an amount by the
> service company for Freon Reclamation in the amount of $225.00. (This is
> the service company that has been contracted on behalf of my Service
> Contractor, and the Serive Contract I have doesn't cover Freon
> Reclamation)

They are probably on flat rate pricing that covers labor, Hazardous Waste
Disposal, recovery machine filters and oil change, and all of the other
associated costs with *legitmate* refrigerant recovery and recycling....in
other words, they are probably doing the right things right.

> I contacted 4 other companies and got varying quotes for Reclamation and
> Disposal of between $75-131 -- so the $225 seems way out of line. One
> company gave me a specific figure of $15/lb fee for reclamation and
> disposal; thus my need to find out what the capacity actually is.

How much additional are these other companies going to charge you for labor
and other costs??

> I tried contacting a Ruud authorized service company, but they haven't
> gotten back to me yet.

They aren't going to do it for free either.

> Any help with this would be greatly appreciated.

Questions.....
Why are they recovering the refrigerant out of a 22 year old system unless
they are replacing it?? Nothing lasts forever, they only build them to last
for 18 - 20 years.
I would hope that your new system would have R-410a refrigerant in it.

FWIW you old system was *ONLY* 7.55 SEER when it was new and had a basic
refrigerant charge of 86 ounces, and used a pre-charged lineset and
coil...... just like a mobile home. Bet you got some pretty high 'lectric
bills.



Posted by ktb on October 17, 2006, 2:12 pm
Air@comcast.net says...
>
> > Could someone please provide me with the refrigerant capacity for the
> > following:
> >
> > Ruud Model : UPCA-030JBS
> > Mfd: 03/1984
> >
> > The reason I am asking is because I have been quoted an amount by the
> > service company for Freon Reclamation in the amount of $225.00. (This is
> > the service company that has been contracted on behalf of my Service
> > Contractor, and the Serive Contract I have doesn't cover Freon
> > Reclamation)
>
Thank You so much for the specific information i was asking about

now ... onto Your questions -- the Service Contract company (AHS) pays
basically only for repairing a system (unless, I would assume that a
repair is going to cost more than the cost of replacing it)

the reason I have been told for them to pull the freon is to replace the
'in line filter' I believe!? because it is presumably clogged and is
causing a pressure back up that in turn causes the pressure switch to
trip (which is the reason I called them out in the first place)

to quote from my AHS contract:

AHS will not contract to perform service nor pay costs involving
hazardous or toxic materials or asbestos, nor will it pay costs related
to freon recapture or the disposal of refrigerants or contaminants.

The companies that I quoted previously were charging an additional
"service call out fee" in addition to the Reclamation and Disposal fee
that I was quoting; however, the Service Contractor (AHS) will pay the
fees associated with the repair except as I have quoted above.

And thank You once again for the information on the system -- and yes,
the electric bills can be a little distressing!!!
>
> Questions.....
> Why are they recovering the refrigerant out of a 22 year old system unless
> they are replacing it?? Nothing lasts forever, they only build them to last
> for 18 - 20 years.
> I would hope that your new system would have R-410a refrigerant in it.
>
> FWIW you old system was *ONLY* 7.55 SEER when it was new and had a basic
> refrigerant charge of 86 ounces, and used a pre-charged lineset and
> coil...... just like a mobile home. Bet you got some pretty high 'lectric
> bills.
>
>
>

Posted by Noon-Air on October 17, 2006, 2:46 pm

> Air@comcast.net says...
>>
>> > Could someone please provide me with the refrigerant capacity for the
>> > following:
>> >
>> > Ruud Model : UPCA-030JBS
>> > Mfd: 03/1984
>> >
>> > The reason I am asking is because I have been quoted an amount by the
>> > service company for Freon Reclamation in the amount of $225.00. (This
>> > is
>> > the service company that has been contracted on behalf of my Service
>> > Contractor, and the Serive Contract I have doesn't cover Freon
>> > Reclamation)
>>
> Thank You so much for the specific information i was asking about
>
> now ... onto Your questions -- the Service Contract company (AHS) pays
> basically only for repairing a system (unless, I would assume that a
> repair is going to cost more than the cost of replacing it)

The savings in energy costs alone would pay for a new system in just a few
short years.

> the reason I have been told for them to pull the freon is to replace the
> 'in line filter' I believe!? because it is presumably clogged and is
> causing a pressure back up that in turn causes the pressure switch to
> trip (which is the reason I called them out in the first place)

Get ready to replace it whether you want to or not... if the filter/drier is
"clogged", its probably going to be from wear metals from that 22 year old,
worn out, compressor.

> to quote from my AHS contract:
>
> AHS will not contract to perform service nor pay costs involving
> hazardous or toxic materials or asbestos, nor will it pay costs related
> to freon recapture or the disposal of refrigerants or contaminants.

So you insurance company won't pay for refrigerant recovery and disposal
that is required by federal law??

> The companies that I quoted previously were charging an additional
> "service call out fee" in addition to the Reclamation and Disposal fee
> that I was quoting; however, the Service Contractor (AHS) will pay the
> fees associated with the repair except as I have quoted above.

The "service call out fee" is just to get them there.... that pays for a
host of things...like truck notes, fuel, insurance, truck
maintenance/repair, travel time, etc.

> And thank You once again for the information on the system -- and yes,
> the electric bills can be a little distressing!!!

That can be fixed

>> Questions.....
>> Why are they recovering the refrigerant out of a 22 year old system
>> unless
>> they are replacing it?? Nothing lasts forever, they only build them to
>> last
>> for 18 - 20 years.
>> I would hope that your new system would have R-410a refrigerant in it.
>>
>> FWIW you old system was *ONLY* 7.55 SEER when it was new and had a basic
>> refrigerant charge of 86 ounces, and used a pre-charged lineset and
>> coil...... just like a mobile home. Bet you got some pretty high 'lectric
>> bills.

According to ARI(American Refrigeration Institute), a new Rheem heat pump
and air handler with the environmentally friendly, R-410a refrigerant,
Model numbers;
RPNL-030JAZ heat pump
RHLL-HM3617JA air handler
ARI Ref# 823415
Rated at 15 SEER/HPSF 9.25 with an Average National Annual Cost of Operation
of $169 for cooling and $446 for heating.
This system is also elegible for an income tax credit.
Also ask your installer about the 10 year Parts and labor extended warranty.



Posted by ktb on October 17, 2006, 11:11 pm
Thank You lots for Your help and advice; I totally appreciate it.

The heat pump replacement is next on our agenda -- we replaced the roof
this year, and we are saving up to replace the heat pump next year.

Regarding the 410a refrigerant; I thought I had heard that it wasn't as
efficient -- or some such thing -- i honestly don't remember what I
heard exactly -- and i don't want to get flamed down again for sounding
ignorant ...

anyway ... wish i lived in MS, and thanx again ...

Air@comcast.net says...
>
> > Air@comcast.net says...
> >>
> >> > Could someone please provide me with the refrigerant capacity for the
> >> > following:
> >> >
> >> > Ruud Model : UPCA-030JBS
> >> > Mfd: 03/1984
> >> >
> >> > The reason I am asking is because I have been quoted an amount by the
> >> > service company for Freon Reclamation in the amount of $225.00. (This
> >> > is
> >> > the service company that has been contracted on behalf of my Service
> >> > Contractor, and the Serive Contract I have doesn't cover Freon
> >> > Reclamation)
> >>
> > Thank You so much for the specific information i was asking about
> >
> > now ... onto Your questions -- the Service Contract company (AHS) pays
> > basically only for repairing a system (unless, I would assume that a
> > repair is going to cost more than the cost of replacing it)
>
> The savings in energy costs alone would pay for a new system in just a few
> short years.
>
> > the reason I have been told for them to pull the freon is to replace the
> > 'in line filter' I believe!? because it is presumably clogged and is
> > causing a pressure back up that in turn causes the pressure switch to
> > trip (which is the reason I called them out in the first place)
>
> Get ready to replace it whether you want to or not... if the filter/drier is
> "clogged", its probably going to be from wear metals from that 22 year old,
> worn out, compressor.
>
> > to quote from my AHS contract:
> >
> > AHS will not contract to perform service nor pay costs involving
> > hazardous or toxic materials or asbestos, nor will it pay costs related
> > to freon recapture or the disposal of refrigerants or contaminants.
>
> So you insurance company won't pay for refrigerant recovery and disposal
> that is required by federal law??
>
> > The companies that I quoted previously were charging an additional
> > "service call out fee" in addition to the Reclamation and Disposal fee
> > that I was quoting; however, the Service Contractor (AHS) will pay the
> > fees associated with the repair except as I have quoted above.
>
> The "service call out fee" is just to get them there.... that pays for a
> host of things...like truck notes, fuel, insurance, truck
> maintenance/repair, travel time, etc.
>
> > And thank You once again for the information on the system -- and yes,
> > the electric bills can be a little distressing!!!
>
> That can be fixed
>
> >> Questions.....
> >> Why are they recovering the refrigerant out of a 22 year old system
> >> unless
> >> they are replacing it?? Nothing lasts forever, they only build them to
> >> last
> >> for 18 - 20 years.
> >> I would hope that your new system would have R-410a refrigerant in it.
> >>
> >> FWIW you old system was *ONLY* 7.55 SEER when it was new and had a basic
> >> refrigerant charge of 86 ounces, and used a pre-charged lineset and
> >> coil...... just like a mobile home. Bet you got some pretty high 'lectric
> >> bills.
>
> According to ARI(American Refrigeration Institute), a new Rheem heat pump
> and air handler with the environmentally friendly, R-410a refrigerant,
> Model numbers;
> RPNL-030JAZ heat pump
> RHLL-HM3617JA air handler
> ARI Ref# 823415
> Rated at 15 SEER/HPSF 9.25 with an Average National Annual Cost of Operation
> of $169 for cooling and $446 for heating.
> This system is also elegible for an income tax credit.
> Also ask your installer about the 10 year Parts and labor extended warranty.
>
>
>

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