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Replacement for Carrier multi-zone control Peter Pearson 09-08-2006
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Posted by Dido on September 10, 2006, 9:30 am

> Peter,
> Before I can help you; What is the model number of your Carrier Comfort
> Zone 4-zone controller/timeclock.
>
> Jabs
>
>
>
>> My Carrier Comfort Zone Center appears to have failed, and
>> I'm trying to educate myself on replacement options. My
>> local furnace shop says they don't make these any more and
>> a replacement controller will cost $2946 if we can use the
>> existing temperature sensors. That seems like a lot.
>>
>> Here's the equipment running my 4-zone system, which
>> really ought to be a 5-zone system but maybe they didn't
>> make those when this system was installed, apparently
>> in 1991 (I moved here in 2004):
>>
>> Carrier Crusade gas furnace
>> Carrier Comfort Zone Center control box near furnace
>> Carrier Comfort Zone 4-zone controller/timeclock
>> Zone dampers: PEI / AirPax
>>
>> In case anyone cares about the problem motivating this
>> questions: The "Carrier Comfort Zone Center" is mounted on
>> studs near the furnace, gets 24 volts AC from the furnace,
>> and is supposed to supply 10 volts DC to the thermostat,
>> but instead supplies a voltage varying between 6 and 7
>> volts with a regular period of about 0.5 second. The
>> circuit boards in the "Comfort Zone Center" look clean,
>> and no components are smoking, oozing, or making crackling
>> noises.
>>
>> So,
>> 1. Should I pay $2934 to replace this controller?
>> 2. Should I consider the style of controller that
>> takes input from four thermostats, instead
>> of reading four actual temperature sensors itself?
>> 3. Should I be looking at X-10 systems? RS485? Can
>> I get something that plugs into my house's ethernet
>> and provides a browser-based interface?

Yes cost is $500.00 per channel and you do the installation
DIDO

>> Much appreciative of suggestions, observations, and even
>> illuminating insults.
>>
>> --
>>
>> To email me, substitute
>> nowhere -> spamcop
>> invalid -> net
>
>



Posted by Peter Pearson on September 10, 2006, 4:27 pm
>> My Carrier Comfort Zone Center appears to have failed, and
>> I'm trying to educate myself on replacement options. My
>> local furnace shop says they don't make these any more and
>> a replacement controller will cost $2946 if we can use the
>> existing temperature sensors. That seems like a lot.
>>
>> Here's the equipment running my 4-zone system, which
>> really ought to be a 5-zone system but maybe they didn't
>> make those when this system was installed, apparently
>> in 1991 (I moved here in 2004):
>>
>> Carrier Crusade gas furnace
>> Carrier Comfort Zone Center control box near furnace
>> Carrier Comfort Zone 4-zone controller/timeclock
>> Zone dampers: PEI / AirPax
>>
>> In case anyone cares about the problem motivating this
>> questions: The "Carrier Comfort Zone Center" is mounted on
>> studs near the furnace, gets 24 volts AC from the furnace,
>> and is supposed to supply 10 volts DC to the thermostat,
>> but instead supplies a voltage varying between 6 and 7
>> volts with a regular period of about 0.5 second. The
>> circuit boards in the "Comfort Zone Center" look clean,
>> and no components are smoking, oozing, or making crackling
>> noises.
>
> Before I can help you; What is the model number of your Carrier Comfort Zone
> 4-zone controller/timeclock.

There is an astonishing shortage of anything resembling model
numbers on this equipment, or in the accompanying documentation.
Does any of the following help?

* Molded into the inside of the plastic controller enclosure
face is "Part 140027-02".

* Stamped in ink on the inside of the enclosure is "Nov 18 1992".

* A paper sticker on what appears to be a socketed EPROM says
"CZCT Rev 1.3".

* A paper sticker on what appears to be the board's processor
chip says "306DAR0415".

--

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invalid -> net

Posted by Peter Pearson on September 11, 2006, 8:35 pm
On Fri, 08 Sep 2006 20:42:08 GMT, Peter Pearson wrote:
> My Carrier Comfort Zone Center appears to have failed,
[snip]
> . . . The "Carrier Comfort Zone Center" is mounted on
> studs near the furnace, gets 24 volts AC from the furnace,
> and is supposed to supply 10 volts DC to the thermostat,
> but instead supplies a voltage varying between 6 and 7
> volts with a regular period of about 0.5 second. The
> circuit boards in the "Comfort Zone Center" look clean,
> and no components are smoking, oozing, or making crackling
> noises.

The answer:

Gazing dumbly at the controller board wondering why it
couldn't deliver a simple +10 to the thermostat, I noticed
that the +10 out was switched by a transistor whose base was
driven by a bunch of logic. This led to the theory that the
controller was purposely power-cycling the thermostat
waiting for some kind of power-up message. (The voltage
appeared to be switching between about 6 and 7 volts, not 0
to 10, but that might just be the inertia of my meter's
needle.) An ohmmeter check revealed that one of the 8
solid-core wires in the cable between the controller and the
thermostat was -- somehow invisibly -- broken. Replacing
that one wire restored normal behavior.

Thanks to Bennett, Jabs, and Dido for their helpful
attitudes, and to Oscar_Lives and his family for ensuring
that wiring instructions will always be printed in
block capitals and short words.

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