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Posted by on October 21, 2007, 9:58 pm
Thanks for your advice, Bob.
We have our own well, with an ozone filter, but no other type.
We are in a very rural area, about 2 hours from a town big enough to
have Home Depot/WalMart, and it's hard to find any qualified HVAC
people who are willing to come out to the boondocks.
Our electric rate is about .14/kw (I think), and propane is about the
same as the high grade oil our burner uses.
As for those of you suggesting moving from CA, well, as a retired high
school teacher, living on a small pension, I wish it was so easy to
sell a house and move somewhere else, but houses are not selling very
well right now. And where else would we go? Everywhere you need either
heat or AC, so we are lucky that we don't need AC, and only need heat
to go from 40 up to 65, not 20 or 0, like most northern places.
thanks
> In response to your Hot Water heating question. The on demand water heater
> would probably be a good bet. The Heat Pump is the way to go (what is your
> electric rate, what is your propane rate). With the waterheater make sure
> your water quality is good, and plan on having maintenance on the water
> heater annually
>
> --
> Bob Pietrangelo
> bo...@comcast.net (home)
> b...@comfort-solution.biz (work)www.comfort-solution.biz
>
>
>
> > Would it be possible and more efficient to use an on-demand LP hot
> > water heater, like the Bosch 2400LP? Or, should I just shut off the
> > oil burner when we are away?
>
> > I have a 14 year old heating system. It is an oil fired burner, 100
> > gal hot water tank, and forced air.
> > Hot water flows into copper coils, and air is blown over them to heat,
> > then forced into ductwork and floor vents.(at least I think that's how
> > it works!) It also supplies the household hot water. The burner and
> > boiler are located in an outside attached small room with a 4" vent
> > going up through the roof.
>
> > I have 3 heating zones in the house.
>
> > The price of oil has tripled, raising my heating bill to $600-$1200
> > per month in the heating months, for the 175 + gals of oil I use.
>
> > I keep my thermostat set to 62 at night and 65 during the day (and
> > hope for solar gain), and only heat 1 zone. But, keeping all that
> > water hot 24/7 is just not possible anymore with oil at $3.40/gal.
>
> > There are only two of us, so the domestic water demand is low compared
> > with the hot water for the forced air system.
> > I live in an area that does not freeze in the winter, temperatures
> > rarely go below 40 at night, and almost never go below freezing.
>
> > I've got to do something before this oil burner sucks up my savings!
>
> > thanks for any advice you have.
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Posted by on October 21, 2007, 10:50 pm
> Thanks for your advice, Bob.
> We have our own well, with an ozone filter, but no other type.
>
> We are in a very rural area, about 2 hours from a town big enough to
> have Home Depot/WalMart, and it's hard to find any qualified HVAC
> people who are willing to come out to the boondocks.
>
> Our electric rate is about .14/kw (I think), and propane is about the
> same as the high grade oil our burner uses.
>
> As for those of you suggesting moving from CA, well, as a retired high
> school teacher, living on a small pension, I wish it was so easy to
> sell a house and move somewhere else, but houses are not selling very
> well right now. And where else would we go? Everywhere you need either
> heat or AC, so we are lucky that we don't need AC, and only need heat
> to go from 40 up to 65, not 20 or 0, like most northern places.
Which is *why* I posted that you get a H/P!!!!!!!!
$3.40 fuel oil is costing you $3.06 per 100 K into your home at 80%
efficiency.
$3.40 fuel oil is costing you $2.72 per 100 K into your home at 90%
efficiency.
LP at $3.00 will cost you $4.09 per 100 K at 80% efficiency.
LP at $3.00 will cost you $3.63 per 100 K at 90% efficiency.
Electric Heat at 14 cents per kwh will cost you $4.09 per 100 K into your
home.
Now, run a heat pump in 65 degree weather with a
COP of 3.5 and the cost is $1.17 per 100 K into your home.
(62% savings over your current 80% fuel oil)
Or run a heat pump in 45 degree weather with a
COP of 3.2 and the cost is $1.28 per 100 K into your home.
(59% savings over your current 80% fuel oil)
Or run a heat pump in 37 degree weather with a
COP of 3.0 and the cost is $1.36 per 100 K into your home.
(56% savings over your current 80% fuel oil)
Now tell me, who wouldn't like to cut their heating cost in half?
Are you on the phone to get a proposal for a new H/P yet?
The real question is, if your not, why aren't you?
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Posted by on October 27, 2007, 4:24 pm
>
>
>
>
> > Thanks for your advice, Bob.
> > We have our own well, with an ozone filter, but no other type.
>
> > We are in a very rural area, about 2 hours from a town big enough to
> > have Home Depot/WalMart, and it's hard to find any qualified HVAC
> > people who are willing to come out to the boondocks.
>
> > Our electric rate is about .14/kw (I think), and propane is about the
> > same as the high grade oil our burner uses.
>
> > As for those of you suggesting moving from CA, well, as a retired high
> > school teacher, living on a small pension, I wish it was so easy to
> > sell a house and move somewhere else, but houses are not selling very
> > well right now. And where else would we go? Everywhere you need either
> > heat or AC, so we are lucky that we don't need AC, and only need heat
> > to go from 40 up to 65, not 20 or 0, like most northern places.
>
> Which is *why* I posted that you get a H/P!!!!!!!!
>
> $3.40 fuel oil is costing you $3.06 per 100 K into your home at 80%
> efficiency.
> $3.40 fuel oil is costing you $2.72 per 100 K into your home at 90%
> efficiency.
>
> LP at $3.00 will cost you $4.09 per 100 K at 80% efficiency.
> LP at $3.00 will cost you $3.63 per 100 K at 90% efficiency.
>
> Electric Heat at 14 cents per kwh will cost you $4.09 per 100 K into your
> home.
>
> Now, run a heat pump in 65 degree weather with a
> COP of 3.5 and the cost is $1.17 per 100 K into your home.
> (62% savings over your current 80% fuel oil)
>
> Or run a heat pump in 45 degree weather with a
> COP of 3.2 and the cost is $1.28 per 100 K into your home.
> (59% savings over your current 80% fuel oil)
>
> Or run a heat pump in 37 degree weather with a
> COP of 3.0 and the cost is $1.36 per 100 K into your home.
> (56% savings over your current 80% fuel oil)
>
> Now tell me, who wouldn't like to cut their heating cost in half?
> Are you on the phone to get a proposal for a new H/P yet?
> The real question is, if your not, why aren't you?
I just checked with my HVAC installer/repair guy.
He agrees that a H/P would be good, if it can be installed inside a
shed, not out in the salt air, where it would rot in no time.
He also says that the on-demand system would save us money on our
current overall bill, even though oil provides more BTUs/gal than LP
does.
Thanks for your valuable response.
regards,
socoast
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Posted by kool on October 27, 2007, 6:38 pm
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > Thanks for your advice, Bob.
>> > We have our own well, with an ozone filter, but no other type.
>>
>> > We are in a very rural area, about 2 hours from a town big enough to
>> > have Home Depot/WalMart, and it's hard to find any qualified HVAC
>> > people who are willing to come out to the boondocks.
>>
>> > Our electric rate is about .14/kw (I think), and propane is about the
>> > same as the high grade oil our burner uses.
>>
>> > As for those of you suggesting moving from CA, well, as a retired high
>> > school teacher, living on a small pension, I wish it was so easy to
>> > sell a house and move somewhere else, but houses are not selling very
>> > well right now. And where else would we go? Everywhere you need either
>> > heat or AC, so we are lucky that we don't need AC, and only need heat
>> > to go from 40 up to 65, not 20 or 0, like most northern places.
>>
>> Which is *why* I posted that you get a H/P!!!!!!!!
>>
>> $3.40 fuel oil is costing you $3.06 per 100 K into your home at 80%
>> efficiency.
>> $3.40 fuel oil is costing you $2.72 per 100 K into your home at 90%
>> efficiency.
>>
>> LP at $3.00 will cost you $4.09 per 100 K at 80% efficiency.
>> LP at $3.00 will cost you $3.63 per 100 K at 90% efficiency.
>>
>> Electric Heat at 14 cents per kwh will cost you $4.09 per 100 K into your
>> home.
>>
>> Now, run a heat pump in 65 degree weather with a
>> COP of 3.5 and the cost is $1.17 per 100 K into your home.
>> (62% savings over your current 80% fuel oil)
>>
>> Or run a heat pump in 45 degree weather with a
>> COP of 3.2 and the cost is $1.28 per 100 K into your home.
>> (59% savings over your current 80% fuel oil)
>>
>> Or run a heat pump in 37 degree weather with a
>> COP of 3.0 and the cost is $1.36 per 100 K into your home.
>> (56% savings over your current 80% fuel oil)
>>
>> Now tell me, who wouldn't like to cut their heating cost in half?
>> Are you on the phone to get a proposal for a new H/P yet?
>> The real question is, if your not, why aren't you?
>
>
> I just checked with my HVAC installer/repair guy.
> He agrees that a H/P would be good, if it can be installed inside a
> shed, not out in the salt air, where it would rot in no time.
> He also says that the on-demand system would save us money on our
> current overall bill, even though oil provides more BTUs/gal than LP
> does.
>
> Thanks for your valuable response.
>
> regards,
>
> socoast
I doubt that your air is saltier than ours in Victoria unless you live in a
beach house. We have plenty of functioning, non-corroded heat pumps doing
just fine here. Forget the shed and find a new HVAC contracter and start
saving money....norcoast
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Posted by Bubba on October 27, 2007, 8:34 pm
On Sat, 27 Oct 2007 13:24:19 -0700, socoast@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > Thanks for your advice, Bob.
>> > We have our own well, with an ozone filter, but no other type.
>>
>> > We are in a very rural area, about 2 hours from a town big enough to
>> > have Home Depot/WalMart, and it's hard to find any qualified HVAC
>> > people who are willing to come out to the boondocks.
>>
>> > Our electric rate is about .14/kw (I think), and propane is about the
>> > same as the high grade oil our burner uses.
>>
>> > As for those of you suggesting moving from CA, well, as a retired high
>> > school teacher, living on a small pension, I wish it was so easy to
>> > sell a house and move somewhere else, but houses are not selling very
>> > well right now. And where else would we go? Everywhere you need either
>> > heat or AC, so we are lucky that we don't need AC, and only need heat
>> > to go from 40 up to 65, not 20 or 0, like most northern places.
>>
>> Which is *why* I posted that you get a H/P!!!!!!!!
>>
>> $3.40 fuel oil is costing you $3.06 per 100 K into your home at 80%
>> efficiency.
>> $3.40 fuel oil is costing you $2.72 per 100 K into your home at 90%
>> efficiency.
>>
>> LP at $3.00 will cost you $4.09 per 100 K at 80% efficiency.
>> LP at $3.00 will cost you $3.63 per 100 K at 90% efficiency.
>>
>> Electric Heat at 14 cents per kwh will cost you $4.09 per 100 K into your
>> home.
>>
>> Now, run a heat pump in 65 degree weather with a
>> COP of 3.5 and the cost is $1.17 per 100 K into your home.
>> (62% savings over your current 80% fuel oil)
>>
>> Or run a heat pump in 45 degree weather with a
>> COP of 3.2 and the cost is $1.28 per 100 K into your home.
>> (59% savings over your current 80% fuel oil)
>>
>> Or run a heat pump in 37 degree weather with a
>> COP of 3.0 and the cost is $1.36 per 100 K into your home.
>> (56% savings over your current 80% fuel oil)
>>
>> Now tell me, who wouldn't like to cut their heating cost in half?
>> Are you on the phone to get a proposal for a new H/P yet?
>> The real question is, if your not, why aren't you?
>
>
>I just checked with my HVAC installer/repair guy.
>He agrees that a H/P would be good, if it can be installed inside a
>shed, not out in the salt air, where it would rot in no time.
>He also says that the on-demand system would save us money on our
>current overall bill, even though oil provides more BTUs/gal than LP
>does.
>
>Thanks for your valuable response.
>
> regards,
>
> socoast
I see you've come to your senses. The heat pump in a shed is a GREAT
idea! Make sure you seal that shed up super tight. Caulk every seam
and joint you can find. Dont let any of that nasty salt in that uint.
Bubba
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