Rheem heat pump defrost - Page 4

>> Steve wrote:

>>> most manufactures quit making R-22 stuff last September..... My
>>> suppliers can't even get a replacement R-22 3 ton evap coil
>>> anymore.... they are not to be had.

>> Can't you install an R22 metering device on a new coil?
>> If it won't take an orifice/piston for R22, braze an
>> expansion valve on it. Have you never converted a system
>> over to another refrigerant? I've done a number them.
>> TDD

>
> Thats great if you can find a coil that will fit in a Rheem/RUUD air
> handler for a heat pump.
> I have done several conversions also, but that is a gross injustice to
> the customer....unless you one of the local low ballers who doesn't >
> give
> a crap about anything but grab the money and run.
>

> Noon-Air wrote:

>>> Steve wrote:
>>>> most manufactures quit making R-22 stuff last September..... My
>>>> suppliers can't even get a replacement R-22 3 ton evap coil anymore....
>>>> they are not to be had.
>>> Can't you install an R22 metering device on a new coil?
>>> If it won't take an orifice/piston for R22, braze an
>>> expansion valve on it. Have you never converted a system
>>> over to another refrigerant? I've done a number them.
>>> TDD

>> Thats great if you can find a coil that will fit in a Rheem/RUUD air
> > handler for a heat pump.
> > I have done several conversions also, but that is a gross injustice to
> > the customer....unless you one of the local low ballers who doesn't >
> > give
> > a crap about anything but grab the money and run.

> I assumed he was talking about a cased coil, not putting a coil
> into an existing case. Good grief, I can't count the times we've
> had to cut out an old coil, case and all, and install a new one.
> TDD

>

>> Noon-Air wrote:

>>>> Steve wrote:
>>>>> most manufactures quit making R-22 stuff last September..... My
>>>>> suppliers can't even get a replacement R-22 3 ton evap coil
>>>>> anymore.... they are not to be had.
>>>> Can't you install an R22 metering device on a new coil?
>>>> If it won't take an orifice/piston for R22, braze an
>>>> expansion valve on it. Have you never converted a system
>>>> over to another refrigerant? I've done a number them.
>>>> TDD
>>> Thats great if you can find a coil that will fit in a Rheem/RUUD air
>> > handler for a heat pump.
>> > I have done several conversions also, but that is a gross injustice to
>> > the customer....unless you one of the local low ballers who doesn't
>> > > give
>> > a crap about anything but grab the money and run.

>> I assumed he was talking about a cased coil, not putting a coil
>> into an existing case. Good grief, I can't count the times we've
>> had to cut out an old coil, case and all, and install a new one.
>> TDD

>
> The question still remains.... with the HCFC phase-out, does the
> customer want to pay the almost $2,000 to replace a leaky coil, or put
> that money towards a new system that has a 10 year unit replacement
> warranty, will cut their power bills in half, and not have to worry
> about if the refrigerant will even be available in the next couple of
> years.
>
> The whole thing is to present the customer with facts, information, and
> hand-outs to back up what you tell them, and let them make the decission
> of what they want to do, and if they opt for a new system, let them tell
> you what system they want you to install so its win-win. Either way, you
> want the customer to be happy to write that big check, and you'll be
> doing the happy dance all the way to the bank.
>
> Its all about *service*, not serve-us.
>

> Noon-Air wrote:

>>> Noon-Air wrote:
>>>>> Steve wrote:
>>>>>> most manufactures quit making R-22 stuff last September..... My
>>>>>> suppliers can't even get a replacement R-22 3 ton evap coil
>>>>>> anymore.... they are not to be had.
>>>>> Can't you install an R22 metering device on a new coil?
>>>>> If it won't take an orifice/piston for R22, braze an
>>>>> expansion valve on it. Have you never converted a system
>>>>> over to another refrigerant? I've done a number them.
>>>>> TDD
>>>> Thats great if you can find a coil that will fit in a Rheem/RUUD air
>>> > handler for a heat pump.
>>> > I have done several conversions also, but that is a gross injustice to
>>> > the customer....unless you one of the local low ballers who doesn't
>>> > > give
>>> > a crap about anything but grab the money and run.
>>> I assumed he was talking about a cased coil, not putting a coil
>>> into an existing case. Good grief, I can't count the times we've
>>> had to cut out an old coil, case and all, and install a new one.
>>> TDD

>> The question still remains.... with the HCFC phase-out, does the customer
>> want to pay the almost $2,000 to replace a leaky coil, or put that money
>> towards a new system that has a 10 year unit replacement warranty, will
>> cut their power bills in half, and not have to worry about if the
>> refrigerant will even be available in the next couple of years.
>> The whole thing is to present the customer with facts, information, and
>> hand-outs to back up what you tell them, and let them make the decission
>> of what they want to do, and if they opt for a new system, let them tell
>> you what system they want you to install so its win-win. Either way, you
>> want the customer to be happy to write that big check, and you'll be
>> doing the happy dance all the way to the bank.
>> Its all about *service*, not serve-us.

> Most of the folks I deal with don't have a
> lot of money but we'll still do the most
> economical and best job we can. I'll help
> out elderly folks every chance I get to
> keep someone from taking advantage of them.
> One outfit that was around here several years
> ago, particularly disgusted me when the owner
> bragged about selling an old couple $5,000
> worth of equipment when the only problem was
> a loose blower door. As you know, it shut down
> their system. The guy laughed all the way to
> the bank. It's funny, you deal truthfully with
> people and they and their friends call you
> back.
> TDD

>

>> Noon-Air wrote:

>>>> Noon-Air wrote:
>>>>>> Steve wrote:
>>>>>>> most manufactures quit making R-22 stuff last September..... My
>>>>>>> suppliers can't even get a replacement R-22 3 ton evap coil
>>>>>>> anymore.... they are not to be had.
>>>>>> Can't you install an R22 metering device on a new coil?
>>>>>> If it won't take an orifice/piston for R22, braze an
>>>>>> expansion valve on it. Have you never converted a system
>>>>>> over to another refrigerant? I've done a number them.
>>>>>> TDD
>>>>> Thats great if you can find a coil that will fit in a Rheem/RUUD air
>>>> > handler for a heat pump.
>>>> > I have done several conversions also, but that is a gross
>>>> injustice to
>>>> > the customer....unless you one of the local low ballers who doesn't
>>>> > > give
>>>> > a crap about anything but grab the money and run.
>>>> I assumed he was talking about a cased coil, not putting a coil
>>>> into an existing case. Good grief, I can't count the times we've
>>>> had to cut out an old coil, case and all, and install a new one.
>>>> TDD
>>> The question still remains.... with the HCFC phase-out, does the
>>> customer want to pay the almost $2,000 to replace a leaky coil, or
>>> put that money towards a new system that has a 10 year unit
>>> replacement warranty, will cut their power bills in half, and not
>>> have to worry about if the refrigerant will even be available in the
>>> next couple of years.
>>> The whole thing is to present the customer with facts, information,
>>> and hand-outs to back up what you tell them, and let them make the
>>> decission of what they want to do, and if they opt for a new system,
>>> let them tell you what system they want you to install so its
>>> win-win. Either way, you want the customer to be happy to write that
>>> big check, and you'll be doing the happy dance all the way to the bank.
>>> Its all about *service*, not serve-us.

>> Most of the folks I deal with don't have a
>> lot of money but we'll still do the most
>> economical and best job we can. I'll help
>> out elderly folks every chance I get to
>> keep someone from taking advantage of them.
>> One outfit that was around here several years
>> ago, particularly disgusted me when the owner
>> bragged about selling an old couple $5,000
>> worth of equipment when the only problem was
>> a loose blower door. As you know, it shut down
>> their system. The guy laughed all the way to
>> the bank. It's funny, you deal truthfully with
>> people and they and their friends call you
>> back.
>> TDD

>
> Here in the Mississippi Pinebelt, we have a very high percentage of
> retirees. We have had a few companies like that around here... one guy
> got run out of town. I don't worry about whats economical to my
> customers or what they can afford... thats not any of my business...
>
> I offer them "good, better, best" choices and present them with the
> facts, answer their questions, and let them make their own mind up.
>
> When they ask me what I would recommend, I tell them that I am not there
> to influence their decission, I am only there to give them information
> and answer questions...its their money and their decission.
>