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Posted by Steve on June 20, 2009, 4:36 pm
> Noon-Air wrote:
>>> Noon-Air wrote:
>>>>> Noon-Air wrote:
>>>>>>> Steve wrote:
>>>>>>>> most manufactures quit making R-22 stuff last September..... My
>>>>>>>> suppliers can't even get a replacement R-22 3 ton evap coil
>>>>>>>> anymore.... they are not to be had.
>>>>>>> Can't you install an R22 metering device on a new coil?
>>>>>>> If it won't take an orifice/piston for R22, braze an
>>>>>>> expansion valve on it. Have you never converted a system
>>>>>>> over to another refrigerant? I've done a number them.
>>>>>>> TDD
>>>>>> Thats great if you can find a coil that will fit in a Rheem/RUUD air
>>>>> > handler for a heat pump.
>>>>> > I have done several conversions also, but that is a gross
>>>>> injustice to
>>>>> > the customer....unless you one of the local low ballers who doesn't
>>>>> > > give
>>>>> > a crap about anything but grab the money and run.
>>>>> I assumed he was talking about a cased coil, not putting a coil
>>>>> into an existing case. Good grief, I can't count the times we've
>>>>> had to cut out an old coil, case and all, and install a new one.
>>>>> TDD
>>>> The question still remains.... with the HCFC phase-out, does the
>>>> customer want to pay the almost $2,000 to replace a leaky coil, or put
>>>> that money towards a new system that has a 10 year unit replacement
>>>> warranty, will cut their power bills in half, and not have to worry
>>>> about if the refrigerant will even be available in the next couple of
>>>> years.
>>>> The whole thing is to present the customer with facts, information, and
>>>> hand-outs to back up what you tell them, and let them make the
>>>> decission of what they want to do, and if they opt for a new system,
>>>> let them tell you what system they want you to install so its win-win.
>>>> Either way, you want the customer to be happy to write that big check,
>>>> and you'll be doing the happy dance all the way to the bank.
>>>> Its all about *service*, not serve-us.
>>> Most of the folks I deal with don't have a
>>> lot of money but we'll still do the most
>>> economical and best job we can. I'll help
>>> out elderly folks every chance I get to
>>> keep someone from taking advantage of them.
>>> One outfit that was around here several years
>>> ago, particularly disgusted me when the owner
>>> bragged about selling an old couple $5,000
>>> worth of equipment when the only problem was
>>> a loose blower door. As you know, it shut down
>>> their system. The guy laughed all the way to
>>> the bank. It's funny, you deal truthfully with
>>> people and they and their friends call you
>>> back.
>>> TDD
>> Here in the Mississippi Pinebelt, we have a very high percentage of
>> retirees. We have had a few companies like that around here... one guy
>> got run out of town. I don't worry about whats economical to my customers
>> or what they can afford... thats not any of my business...
>> I offer them "good, better, best" choices and present them with the
>> facts, answer their questions, and let them make their own mind up.
>> When they ask me what I would recommend, I tell them that I am not there
>> to influence their decission, I am only there to give them information
>> and answer questions...its their money and their decission.
> In that case you are dealing with them honestly, perhaps dispassionately,
> but you're being professional and truthful.
> I can find no fault with that approach. Here in Alabamastan,
> we have crazy Hillbillies who have crazy Hillbilly relatives
> who have crazy Hillbilly children who have crazy Hillbilly
> dogs and if you cross granny, you'll have every damn one of
> then after you.
Its not much better here in rural south Mississippi.... just don't have any
hills.
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Posted by The Daring Dufas on June 20, 2009, 5:51 pm
Steve wrote:
>> Noon-Air wrote:
>>>> Noon-Air wrote:
>>>>>> Noon-Air wrote:
>>>>>>>> Steve wrote:
>>>>>>>>> most manufactures quit making R-22 stuff last September..... My
>>>>>>>>> suppliers can't even get a replacement R-22 3 ton evap coil
>>>>>>>>> anymore.... they are not to be had.
>>>>>>>> Can't you install an R22 metering device on a new coil?
>>>>>>>> If it won't take an orifice/piston for R22, braze an
>>>>>>>> expansion valve on it. Have you never converted a system
>>>>>>>> over to another refrigerant? I've done a number them.
>>>>>>>> TDD
>>>>>>> Thats great if you can find a coil that will fit in a Rheem/RUUD air
>>>>>>> handler for a heat pump.
>>>>>>> I have done several conversions also, but that is a gross
>>>>>> injustice to
>>>>>>> the customer....unless you one of the local low ballers who doesn't
>>>>>>>> give
>>>>>>> a crap about anything but grab the money and run.
>>>>>> I assumed he was talking about a cased coil, not putting a coil
>>>>>> into an existing case. Good grief, I can't count the times we've
>>>>>> had to cut out an old coil, case and all, and install a new one.
>>>>>> TDD
>>>>> The question still remains.... with the HCFC phase-out, does the
>>>>> customer want to pay the almost $2,000 to replace a leaky coil, or put
>>>>> that money towards a new system that has a 10 year unit replacement
>>>>> warranty, will cut their power bills in half, and not have to worry
>>>>> about if the refrigerant will even be available in the next couple of
>>>>> years.
>>>>> The whole thing is to present the customer with facts, information, and
>>>>> hand-outs to back up what you tell them, and let them make the
>>>>> decission of what they want to do, and if they opt for a new system,
>>>>> let them tell you what system they want you to install so its win-win.
>>>>> Either way, you want the customer to be happy to write that big check,
>>>>> and you'll be doing the happy dance all the way to the bank.
>>>>> Its all about *service*, not serve-us.
>>>> Most of the folks I deal with don't have a
>>>> lot of money but we'll still do the most
>>>> economical and best job we can. I'll help
>>>> out elderly folks every chance I get to
>>>> keep someone from taking advantage of them.
>>>> One outfit that was around here several years
>>>> ago, particularly disgusted me when the owner
>>>> bragged about selling an old couple $5,000
>>>> worth of equipment when the only problem was
>>>> a loose blower door. As you know, it shut down
>>>> their system. The guy laughed all the way to
>>>> the bank. It's funny, you deal truthfully with
>>>> people and they and their friends call you
>>>> back.
>>>> TDD
>>> Here in the Mississippi Pinebelt, we have a very high percentage of
>>> retirees. We have had a few companies like that around here... one guy
>>> got run out of town. I don't worry about whats economical to my customers
>>> or what they can afford... thats not any of my business...
>>> I offer them "good, better, best" choices and present them with the
>>> facts, answer their questions, and let them make their own mind up.
>>> When they ask me what I would recommend, I tell them that I am not there
>>> to influence their decission, I am only there to give them information
>>> and answer questions...its their money and their decission.
>> In that case you are dealing with them honestly, perhaps dispassionately,
>> but you're being professional and truthful.
>> I can find no fault with that approach. Here in Alabamastan,
>> we have crazy Hillbillies who have crazy Hillbilly relatives
>> who have crazy Hillbilly children who have crazy Hillbilly
>> dogs and if you cross granny, you'll have every damn one of
>> then after you.
>
> Its not much better here in rural south Mississippi.... just don't have any
> hills.
>
>
Just crazy flatlander and river delta critters. *snicker*
TDD
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Posted by Hermann on June 21, 2009, 2:10 am
The Daring Dufas wrote:
> Noon-Air wrote:
>>> Noon-Air wrote:
>>>>> Noon-Air wrote:
>>>>>>> Steve wrote:
>>>>>>>> most manufactures quit making R-22 stuff last September..... My
>>>>>>>> suppliers can't even get a replacement R-22 3 ton evap coil
>>>>>>>> anymore.... they are not to be had.
>>>>>>> Can't you install an R22 metering device on a new coil?
>>>>>>> If it won't take an orifice/piston for R22, braze an
>>>>>>> expansion valve on it. Have you never converted a system
>>>>>>> over to another refrigerant? I've done a number them.
>>>>>>> TDD
>>>>>> Thats great if you can find a coil that will fit in a Rheem/RUUD air
>>>>> > handler for a heat pump.
>>>>> > I have done several conversions also, but that is a gross
>>>>> injustice to
>>>>> > the customer....unless you one of the local low ballers who doesn't
>>>>> > > give
>>>>> > a crap about anything but grab the money and run.
>>>>> I assumed he was talking about a cased coil, not putting a coil
>>>>> into an existing case. Good grief, I can't count the times we've
>>>>> had to cut out an old coil, case and all, and install a new one.
>>>>> TDD
>>>> The question still remains.... with the HCFC phase-out, does the
>>>> customer want to pay the almost $2,000 to replace a leaky coil, or
>>>> put that money towards a new system that has a 10 year unit
>>>> replacement warranty, will cut their power bills in half, and not
>>>> have to worry about if the refrigerant will even be available in the
>>>> next couple of years.
>>>> The whole thing is to present the customer with facts, information,
>>>> and hand-outs to back up what you tell them, and let them make the
>>>> decission of what they want to do, and if they opt for a new system,
>>>> let them tell you what system they want you to install so its
>>>> win-win. Either way, you want the customer to be happy to write that
>>>> big check, and you'll be doing the happy dance all the way to the bank.
>>>> Its all about *service*, not serve-us.
>>> Most of the folks I deal with don't have a
>>> lot of money but we'll still do the most
>>> economical and best job we can. I'll help
>>> out elderly folks every chance I get to
>>> keep someone from taking advantage of them.
>>> One outfit that was around here several years
>>> ago, particularly disgusted me when the owner
>>> bragged about selling an old couple $5,000
>>> worth of equipment when the only problem was
>>> a loose blower door. As you know, it shut down
>>> their system. The guy laughed all the way to
>>> the bank. It's funny, you deal truthfully with
>>> people and they and their friends call you
>>> back.
>>> TDD
>> Here in the Mississippi Pinebelt, we have a very high percentage of
>> retirees. We have had a few companies like that around here... one guy
>> got run out of town. I don't worry about whats economical to my
>> customers or what they can afford... thats not any of my business...
>> I offer them "good, better, best" choices and present them with the
>> facts, answer their questions, and let them make their own mind up.
>> When they ask me what I would recommend, I tell them that I am not
>> there to influence their decission, I am only there to give them
>> information and answer questions...its their money and their decission.
>
> In that case you are dealing with them honestly, perhaps
> dispassionately, but you're being professional and truthful.
> I can find no fault with that approach. Here in Alabamastan,
> we have crazy Hillbillies who have crazy Hillbilly relatives
> who have crazy Hillbilly children who have crazy Hillbilly
> dogs and if you cross granny, you'll have every damn one of
> then after you.
>
> TDD
is they a bounty for em?
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Posted by The Daring Dufas on June 21, 2009, 8:57 am
Hermann wrote:
> The Daring Dufas wrote:
>> Noon-Air wrote:
>>>> Noon-Air wrote:
>>>>>> Noon-Air wrote:
>>>>>>>> Steve wrote:
>>>>>>>>> most manufactures quit making R-22 stuff last September..... My
>>>>>>>>> suppliers can't even get a replacement R-22 3 ton evap coil
>>>>>>>>> anymore.... they are not to be had.
>>>>>>>> Can't you install an R22 metering device on a new coil?
>>>>>>>> If it won't take an orifice/piston for R22, braze an
>>>>>>>> expansion valve on it. Have you never converted a system
>>>>>>>> over to another refrigerant? I've done a number them.
>>>>>>>> TDD
>>>>>>> Thats great if you can find a coil that will fit in a Rheem/RUUD air
>>>>>> > handler for a heat pump.
>>>>>> > I have done several conversions also, but that is a gross
>>>>>> injustice to
>>>>>> > the customer....unless you one of the local low ballers who doesn't
>>>>>> > > give
>>>>>> > a crap about anything but grab the money and run.
>>>>>> I assumed he was talking about a cased coil, not putting a coil
>>>>>> into an existing case. Good grief, I can't count the times we've
>>>>>> had to cut out an old coil, case and all, and install a new one.
>>>>>> TDD
>>>>> The question still remains.... with the HCFC phase-out, does the
>>>>> customer want to pay the almost $2,000 to replace a leaky coil, or
>>>>> put that money towards a new system that has a 10 year unit
>>>>> replacement warranty, will cut their power bills in half, and not
>>>>> have to worry about if the refrigerant will even be available in
>>>>> the next couple of years.
>>>>> The whole thing is to present the customer with facts, information,
>>>>> and hand-outs to back up what you tell them, and let them make the
>>>>> decission of what they want to do, and if they opt for a new
>>>>> system, let them tell you what system they want you to install so
>>>>> its win-win. Either way, you want the customer to be happy to write
>>>>> that big check, and you'll be doing the happy dance all the way to
>>>>> the bank.
>>>>> Its all about *service*, not serve-us.
>>>> Most of the folks I deal with don't have a
>>>> lot of money but we'll still do the most
>>>> economical and best job we can. I'll help
>>>> out elderly folks every chance I get to
>>>> keep someone from taking advantage of them.
>>>> One outfit that was around here several years
>>>> ago, particularly disgusted me when the owner
>>>> bragged about selling an old couple $5,000
>>>> worth of equipment when the only problem was
>>>> a loose blower door. As you know, it shut down
>>>> their system. The guy laughed all the way to
>>>> the bank. It's funny, you deal truthfully with
>>>> people and they and their friends call you
>>>> back.
>>>> TDD
>>> Here in the Mississippi Pinebelt, we have a very high percentage of
>>> retirees. We have had a few companies like that around here... one
>>> guy got run out of town. I don't worry about whats economical to my
>>> customers or what they can afford... thats not any of my business...
>>> I offer them "good, better, best" choices and present them with the
>>> facts, answer their questions, and let them make their own mind up.
>>> When they ask me what I would recommend, I tell them that I am not
>>> there to influence their decission, I am only there to give them
>>> information and answer questions...its their money and their decission.
>> In that case you are dealing with them honestly, perhaps
>> dispassionately, but you're being professional and truthful.
>> I can find no fault with that approach. Here in Alabamastan,
>> we have crazy Hillbillies who have crazy Hillbilly relatives
>> who have crazy Hillbilly children who have crazy Hillbilly
>> dogs and if you cross granny, you'll have every damn one of
>> then after you.
>> TDD
>
> is they a bounty for em?
Depends on which clan they's part of.
TDD
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Posted by Hermann on June 22, 2009, 12:23 am
The Daring Dufas wrote:
> Hermann wrote:
>> The Daring Dufas wrote:
>>> Noon-Air wrote:
>>>>> Noon-Air wrote:
>>>>>>> Noon-Air wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Steve wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> most manufactures quit making R-22 stuff last September.....
>>>>>>>>>> My suppliers can't even get a replacement R-22 3 ton evap coil
>>>>>>>>>> anymore.... they are not to be had.
>>>>>>>>> Can't you install an R22 metering device on a new coil?
>>>>>>>>> If it won't take an orifice/piston for R22, braze an
>>>>>>>>> expansion valve on it. Have you never converted a system
>>>>>>>>> over to another refrigerant? I've done a number them.
>>>>>>>>> TDD
>>>>>>>> Thats great if you can find a coil that will fit in a Rheem/RUUD
>>>>>>>> air
>>>>>>> > handler for a heat pump.
>>>>>>> > I have done several conversions also, but that is a gross
>>>>>>> injustice to
>>>>>>> > the customer....unless you one of the local low ballers who
>>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>>> > > give
>>>>>>> > a crap about anything but grab the money and run.
>>>>>>> I assumed he was talking about a cased coil, not putting a coil
>>>>>>> into an existing case. Good grief, I can't count the times we've
>>>>>>> had to cut out an old coil, case and all, and install a new one.
>>>>>>> TDD
>>>>>> The question still remains.... with the HCFC phase-out, does the
>>>>>> customer want to pay the almost $2,000 to replace a leaky coil, or
>>>>>> put that money towards a new system that has a 10 year unit
>>>>>> replacement warranty, will cut their power bills in half, and not
>>>>>> have to worry about if the refrigerant will even be available in
>>>>>> the next couple of years.
>>>>>> The whole thing is to present the customer with facts,
>>>>>> information, and hand-outs to back up what you tell them, and let
>>>>>> them make the decission of what they want to do, and if they opt
>>>>>> for a new system, let them tell you what system they want you to
>>>>>> install so its win-win. Either way, you want the customer to be
>>>>>> happy to write that big check, and you'll be doing the happy dance
>>>>>> all the way to the bank.
>>>>>> Its all about *service*, not serve-us.
>>>>> Most of the folks I deal with don't have a
>>>>> lot of money but we'll still do the most
>>>>> economical and best job we can. I'll help
>>>>> out elderly folks every chance I get to
>>>>> keep someone from taking advantage of them.
>>>>> One outfit that was around here several years
>>>>> ago, particularly disgusted me when the owner
>>>>> bragged about selling an old couple $5,000
>>>>> worth of equipment when the only problem was
>>>>> a loose blower door. As you know, it shut down
>>>>> their system. The guy laughed all the way to
>>>>> the bank. It's funny, you deal truthfully with
>>>>> people and they and their friends call you
>>>>> back.
>>>>> TDD
>>>> Here in the Mississippi Pinebelt, we have a very high percentage of
>>>> retirees. We have had a few companies like that around here... one
>>>> guy got run out of town. I don't worry about whats economical to my
>>>> customers or what they can afford... thats not any of my business...
>>>> I offer them "good, better, best" choices and present them with the
>>>> facts, answer their questions, and let them make their own mind up.
>>>> When they ask me what I would recommend, I tell them that I am not
>>>> there to influence their decission, I am only there to give them
>>>> information and answer questions...its their money and their decission.
>>> In that case you are dealing with them honestly, perhaps
>>> dispassionately, but you're being professional and truthful.
>>> I can find no fault with that approach. Here in Alabamastan,
>>> we have crazy Hillbillies who have crazy Hillbilly relatives
>>> who have crazy Hillbilly children who have crazy Hillbilly
>>> dogs and if you cross granny, you'll have every damn one of
>>> then after you.
>>> TDD
>> is they a bounty for em?
>
> Depends on which clan they's part of.
>
> TDD
Which clan is doing the buyin and which clan is doin the sellin?
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