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Posted by Steve on June 22, 2009, 8:37 am
> The Daring Dufas wrote:
>> Hermann wrote:
>>> The Daring Dufas wrote:
>>>> Noon-Air wrote:
>>>>>> Noon-Air wrote:
>>>>>>>> Noon-Air wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Steve wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> most manufactures quit making R-22 stuff last September..... My
>>>>>>>>>>> suppliers can't even get a replacement R-22 3 ton evap coil
>>>>>>>>>>> anymore.... they are not to be had.
>>>>>>>>>> Can't you install an R22 metering device on a new coil?
>>>>>>>>>> If it won't take an orifice/piston for R22, braze an
>>>>>>>>>> expansion valve on it. Have you never converted a system
>>>>>>>>>> over to another refrigerant? I've done a number them.
>>>>>>>>>> TDD
>>>>>>>>> Thats great if you can find a coil that will fit in a Rheem/RUUD
>>>>>>>>> air
>>>>>>>> > handler for a heat pump.
>>>>>>>> > I have done several conversions also, but that is a gross
>>>>>>>> injustice to
>>>>>>>> > the customer....unless you one of the local low ballers who
>>>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>>>> > > give
>>>>>>>> > a crap about anything but grab the money and run.
>>>>>>>> I assumed he was talking about a cased coil, not putting a coil
>>>>>>>> into an existing case. Good grief, I can't count the times we've
>>>>>>>> had to cut out an old coil, case and all, and install a new one.
>>>>>>>> TDD
>>>>>>> The question still remains.... with the HCFC phase-out, does the
>>>>>>> customer want to pay the almost $2,000 to replace a leaky coil, or
>>>>>>> put that money towards a new system that has a 10 year unit
>>>>>>> replacement warranty, will cut their power bills in half, and not
>>>>>>> have to worry about if the refrigerant will even be available in the
>>>>>>> next couple of years.
>>>>>>> The whole thing is to present the customer with facts, information,
>>>>>>> and hand-outs to back up what you tell them, and let them make the
>>>>>>> decission of what they want to do, and if they opt for a new system,
>>>>>>> let them tell you what system they want you to install so its
>>>>>>> win-win. Either way, you want the customer to be happy to write that
>>>>>>> big check, and you'll be doing the happy dance all the way to the
>>>>>>> bank.
>>>>>>> Its all about *service*, not serve-us.
>>>>>> Most of the folks I deal with don't have a
>>>>>> lot of money but we'll still do the most
>>>>>> economical and best job we can. I'll help
>>>>>> out elderly folks every chance I get to
>>>>>> keep someone from taking advantage of them.
>>>>>> One outfit that was around here several years
>>>>>> ago, particularly disgusted me when the owner
>>>>>> bragged about selling an old couple $5,000
>>>>>> worth of equipment when the only problem was
>>>>>> a loose blower door. As you know, it shut down
>>>>>> their system. The guy laughed all the way to
>>>>>> the bank. It's funny, you deal truthfully with
>>>>>> people and they and their friends call you
>>>>>> back.
>>>>>> TDD
>>>>> Here in the Mississippi Pinebelt, we have a very high percentage of
>>>>> retirees. We have had a few companies like that around here... one guy
>>>>> got run out of town. I don't worry about whats economical to my
>>>>> customers or what they can afford... thats not any of my business...
>>>>> I offer them "good, better, best" choices and present them with the
>>>>> facts, answer their questions, and let them make their own mind up.
>>>>> When they ask me what I would recommend, I tell them that I am not
>>>>> there to influence their decission, I am only there to give them
>>>>> information and answer questions...its their money and their
>>>>> decission.
>>>> In that case you are dealing with them honestly, perhaps
>>>> dispassionately, but you're being professional and truthful.
>>>> I can find no fault with that approach. Here in Alabamastan,
>>>> we have crazy Hillbillies who have crazy Hillbilly relatives
>>>> who have crazy Hillbilly children who have crazy Hillbilly
>>>> dogs and if you cross granny, you'll have every damn one of
>>>> then after you.
>>>> TDD
>>> is they a bounty for em?
>> Depends on which clan they's part of.
>> TDD
> Which clan is doing the buyin and which clan is doin the sellin?
Is it "which" clan?? or "the" clan??
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Posted by The Daring Dufas on June 22, 2009, 9:06 am
Steve wrote:
>> The Daring Dufas wrote:
>>> Hermann wrote:
>>>> The Daring Dufas wrote:
>>>>> Noon-Air wrote:
>>>>>>> Noon-Air wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Noon-Air wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Steve wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> most manufactures quit making R-22 stuff last September..... My
>>>>>>>>>>>> suppliers can't even get a replacement R-22 3 ton evap coil
>>>>>>>>>>>> anymore.... they are not to be had.
>>>>>>>>>>> Can't you install an R22 metering device on a new coil?
>>>>>>>>>>> If it won't take an orifice/piston for R22, braze an
>>>>>>>>>>> expansion valve on it. Have you never converted a system
>>>>>>>>>>> over to another refrigerant? I've done a number them.
>>>>>>>>>>> TDD
>>>>>>>>>> Thats great if you can find a coil that will fit in a Rheem/RUUD
>>>>>>>>>> air
>>>>>>>>>> handler for a heat pump.
>>>>>>>>>> I have done several conversions also, but that is a gross
>>>>>>>>> injustice to
>>>>>>>>>> the customer....unless you one of the local low ballers who
>>>>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>> give
>>>>>>>>>> a crap about anything but grab the money and run.
>>>>>>>>> I assumed he was talking about a cased coil, not putting a coil
>>>>>>>>> into an existing case. Good grief, I can't count the times we've
>>>>>>>>> had to cut out an old coil, case and all, and install a new one.
>>>>>>>>> TDD
>>>>>>>> The question still remains.... with the HCFC phase-out, does the
>>>>>>>> customer want to pay the almost $2,000 to replace a leaky coil, or
>>>>>>>> put that money towards a new system that has a 10 year unit
>>>>>>>> replacement warranty, will cut their power bills in half, and not
>>>>>>>> have to worry about if the refrigerant will even be available in the
>>>>>>>> next couple of years.
>>>>>>>> The whole thing is to present the customer with facts, information,
>>>>>>>> and hand-outs to back up what you tell them, and let them make the
>>>>>>>> decission of what they want to do, and if they opt for a new system,
>>>>>>>> let them tell you what system they want you to install so its
>>>>>>>> win-win. Either way, you want the customer to be happy to write that
>>>>>>>> big check, and you'll be doing the happy dance all the way to the
>>>>>>>> bank.
>>>>>>>> Its all about *service*, not serve-us.
>>>>>>> Most of the folks I deal with don't have a
>>>>>>> lot of money but we'll still do the most
>>>>>>> economical and best job we can. I'll help
>>>>>>> out elderly folks every chance I get to
>>>>>>> keep someone from taking advantage of them.
>>>>>>> One outfit that was around here several years
>>>>>>> ago, particularly disgusted me when the owner
>>>>>>> bragged about selling an old couple $5,000
>>>>>>> worth of equipment when the only problem was
>>>>>>> a loose blower door. As you know, it shut down
>>>>>>> their system. The guy laughed all the way to
>>>>>>> the bank. It's funny, you deal truthfully with
>>>>>>> people and they and their friends call you
>>>>>>> back.
>>>>>>> TDD
>>>>>> Here in the Mississippi Pinebelt, we have a very high percentage of
>>>>>> retirees. We have had a few companies like that around here... one guy
>>>>>> got run out of town. I don't worry about whats economical to my
>>>>>> customers or what they can afford... thats not any of my business...
>>>>>> I offer them "good, better, best" choices and present them with the
>>>>>> facts, answer their questions, and let them make their own mind up.
>>>>>> When they ask me what I would recommend, I tell them that I am not
>>>>>> there to influence their decission, I am only there to give them
>>>>>> information and answer questions...its their money and their
>>>>>> decission.
>>>>> In that case you are dealing with them honestly, perhaps
>>>>> dispassionately, but you're being professional and truthful.
>>>>> I can find no fault with that approach. Here in Alabamastan,
>>>>> we have crazy Hillbillies who have crazy Hillbilly relatives
>>>>> who have crazy Hillbilly children who have crazy Hillbilly
>>>>> dogs and if you cross granny, you'll have every damn one of
>>>>> then after you.
>>>>> TDD
>>>> is they a bounty for em?
>>> Depends on which clan they's part of.
>>> TDD
>> Which clan is doing the buyin and which clan is doin the sellin?
>
> Is it "which" clan?? or "the" clan??
>
No silly, you're thinking of "The Klan". "Clans"
existed long before political correctness,
whining Liberals and the greatest absurdity
of all, "hate speech".
TDD
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Posted by Steve on June 22, 2009, 10:53 pm
>>>>>> In that case you are dealing with them honestly, perhaps
>>>>>> dispassionately, but you're being professional and truthful.
>>>>>> I can find no fault with that approach. Here in Alabamastan,
>>>>>> we have crazy Hillbillies who have crazy Hillbilly relatives
>>>>>> who have crazy Hillbilly children who have crazy Hillbilly
>>>>>> dogs and if you cross granny, you'll have every damn one of
>>>>>> then after you.
>>>>>> TDD
>>>>> is they a bounty for em?
>>>> Depends on which clan they's part of.
>>>> TDD
>>> Which clan is doing the buyin and which clan is doin the sellin?
>> Is it "which" clan?? or "the" clan??
> No silly, you're thinking of "The Klan". "Clans"
> existed long before political correctness,
> whining Liberals and the greatest absurdity
> of all, "hate speech".
> TDD
The Klan is still alive and well in this neck of the woods
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Posted by The Daring Dufas on June 22, 2009, 11:36 pm
Steve wrote:
>>>>>>> In that case you are dealing with them honestly, perhaps
>>>>>>> dispassionately, but you're being professional and truthful.
>>>>>>> I can find no fault with that approach. Here in Alabamastan,
>>>>>>> we have crazy Hillbillies who have crazy Hillbilly relatives
>>>>>>> who have crazy Hillbilly children who have crazy Hillbilly
>>>>>>> dogs and if you cross granny, you'll have every damn one of
>>>>>>> then after you.
>>>>>>> TDD
>>>>>> is they a bounty for em?
>>>>> Depends on which clan they's part of.
>>>>> TDD
>>>> Which clan is doing the buyin and which clan is doin the sellin?
>>> Is it "which" clan?? or "the" clan??
>> No silly, you're thinking of "The Klan". "Clans"
>> existed long before political correctness,
>> whining Liberals and the greatest absurdity
>> of all, "hate speech".
>> TDD
>
> The Klan is still alive and well in this neck of the woods
>
Yea, I met a few back in the seventies and I
know they're still around even though The Southern
Poverty Lie Center has tried to wipe them out.
TDD
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Posted by Stormin Mormon on June 17, 2009, 9:49 pm
Ah, well. All the numbers. 12 went to 134a (with oil change,
and new metering device). The newer equipment is designed
for 134a.
22 is going to, something else. Either a drop in blend, or
maybe the equipment will die by the time it's needed.
502, couple replacements. 408a comes to mind, and the new
404a with new oil and new equipment.
It's all big blur of numbers.
--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.
Sorry my mistake
look up: HC-12a/134+® and HC-22a/502a® are:
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