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Ruud UGPL Gas Furnace problem M a J 07-15-2006
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Posted by M a J on July 15, 2006, 1:39 pm
Hello, This is the first time I have posted a question on any webpage so I
will try to include all the info I have. I installed a UGPL 2-stage 100,000
Furnace , the coil is a RCSA-048 and the Condenser is a UAND-048. Against my
better judgement we installed this in a house that had foam insulation blow
on the roof and all exterior walls. I also installed a Honeywell Vison Pro
8000 with a Humidistat Dial installed on the wall next to the T-stat. The
fan motor doesn't kick into high speed, like the ODD is overiding the
thermostat and staying at a low CFM. That is the problem that is causing
this unit to freeze. The way I have it wired is like this; T-stat: Green to
G, Red to R and jumpered to one side of Humidisat, Black to W2, White to W1,
Blue to Y2 and jumpered to other side of Humidistat, Yellow to Y and Brown
to Common. On the Furnace it is: Green to G, Brown to C and jumpered to one
side of 24 VAC outside, White to W1, Black to W2, Red to R, Yellow to Y and
jumpered to other side of 24 VAC outside and Blue to ODD. I can take all the
wires off and jumper Red, Green and Yellow together with the Blue from ODD
and the fan still stays in a low speed, wired like that the fan should go
into high speed no matter what, according to the guy who makes the crap. So
I replaced the fan motor and ECM module like he says and no luck. What gets
me is that when I started the unit up 2 months ago wired like mentioned
earlier it worked with no problems. So that tells me that it is wired right,
but I still think that it could be the problem. Did I mention that I
replaced both control boards and the thermostat, not my idea but I was fresh
out. I have installed maybe 20 of these systems just not with a Humidistat,
so anybody installed one of these before that can point me in the right
direction? Thanks



Posted by Noon-Air on July 15, 2006, 6:16 pm

> Hello, This is the first time I have posted a question on any webpage so I
> will try to include all the info I have. I installed a UGPL 2-stage
> 100,000 Furnace , the coil is a RCSA-048 and the Condenser is a UAND-048.
> Against my better judgement we installed this in a house that had foam
> insulation blow on the roof and all exterior walls. I also installed a
> Honeywell Vison Pro 8000 with a Humidistat Dial installed on the wall next
> to the T-stat. The fan motor doesn't kick into high speed, like the ODD is
> overiding the thermostat and staying at a low CFM. That is the problem
> that is causing this unit to freeze. The way I have it wired is like this;
> T-stat: Green to G, Red to R and jumpered to one side of Humidisat, Black
> to W2, White to W1, Blue to Y2 and jumpered to other side of Humidistat,
> Yellow to Y and Brown to Common. On the Furnace it is: Green to G, Brown
> to C and jumpered to one side of 24 VAC outside, White to W1, Black to W2,
> Red to R, Yellow to Y and jumpered to other side of 24 VAC outside and
> Blue to ODD. I can take all the wires off and jumper Red, Green and Yellow
> together with the Blue from ODD and the fan still stays in a low speed,
> wired like that the fan should go into high speed no matter what,
> according to the guy who makes the crap. So I replaced the fan motor and
> ECM module like he says and no luck. What gets me is that when I started
> the unit up 2 months ago wired like mentioned earlier it worked with no
> problems. So that tells me that it is wired right, but I still think that
> it could be the problem. Did I mention that I replaced both control boards
> and the thermostat, not my idea but I was fresh out. I have installed
> maybe 20 of these systems just not with a Humidistat, so anybody installed
> one of these before that can point me in the right direction? Thanks

Apparently you have not been to the training that centers on the GPL
furnaces and ECM motors. It was worth the time and money spent to attend.
Check with your supplier or your favorite Rheem/RUUD rep for the next
training session.

BTW... throwing parts at it is *NOT* the answer.

>
>



Posted by M a J on July 15, 2006, 7:00 pm
Hey why don't you offer some help instead of a reply like that. No, I have
not been to the training on the furnace. And my supplier is the one who
threw the parts at me at 8:00 last night. I know throwing parts in it is
not the way to fix it I have been in this business for over 35 years but
sometimes you just want to jump off the fucking second floor roof, and you
will take it any way you can get it. You ever felt like that? Let me guess
you don't do anything against your better judgement. Are you an owner or
tech, because it sounds like your just a tech to me another owner would know
what it feels like when the buck stops right on top of his ass.



Posted by HeatMan on July 15, 2006, 7:41 pm
Actually, he is offering real help.

> Hey why don't you offer some help instead of a reply like that. No, I have
> not been to the training on the furnace. And my supplier is the one who
> threw the parts at me at 8:00 last night. I know throwing parts in it is
> not the way to fix it I have been in this business for over 35 years but
> sometimes you just want to jump off the fucking second floor roof, and you
> will take it any way you can get it. You ever felt like that? Let me
guess
> you don't do anything against your better judgement. Are you an owner or
> tech, because it sounds like your just a tech to me another owner would
know
> what it feels like when the buck stops right on top of his ass.
>
>

It seems to me that your supplier is as much at fault as you are. Throwing
parts at something is NOT the way to get the job done right.



Posted by Noon-Air on July 15, 2006, 7:57 pm

> Hey why don't you offer some help instead of a reply like that. No, I have
> not been to the training on the furnace. And my supplier is the one who
> threw the parts at me at 8:00 last night. I know throwing parts in it is
> not the way to fix it I have been in this business for over 35 years but
> sometimes you just want to jump off the fucking second floor roof, and you
> will take it any way you can get it. You ever felt like that? Let me
> guess you don't do anything against your better judgement. Are you an
> owner or tech, because it sounds like your just a tech to me another owner
> would know what it feels like when the buck stops right on top of his ass.

Actually I *AM* and owner and a tech.... I just installed the same system
last month with the same stat. Dump the humidistat and use the capabilities
of the Vision-Pro.



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