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Should I be charged for this or not? Taxlover 12-26-2007
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Posted by Taxlover on December 26, 2007, 10:48 am
> where i come from , cleaning the drains is part of the service on a "tune
> and
> clean " for a 90 plus ,
> did he say he was gonna charge, or are you just gathering ammuniton , to
> shoot
> him down with , if he intends to?
>
He is due here "between 11am and 4pm". Just gathering ammunition; I don't
want to argue about it is my claim is unfounded.

> too bad you didnt pay attention back in 2004 ,
>
This time I am going to take pictures... I think it is something they
should do for free, but if it were nighttime and -10 instead of sunny and 40
getting it done quickly would be important!

> bottom line , if its somehitng they missed during the "cleaning"
> then i'd think they should warranty it .



Posted by Zyp on December 26, 2007, 12:24 pm
Taxlover wrote:
>> where i come from , cleaning the drains is part of the service on a
>> "tune and
>> clean " for a 90 plus ,
>> did he say he was gonna charge, or are you just gathering ammuniton
>> , to shoot
>> him down with , if he intends to?
>>
> He is due here "between 11am and 4pm". Just gathering ammunition; I
> don't want to argue about it is my claim is unfounded.
>
>> too bad you didnt pay attention back in 2004 ,
>>
> This time I am going to take pictures... I think it is something they
> should do for free, but if it were nighttime and -10 instead of sunny
> and 40 getting it done quickly would be important!
>
>> bottom line , if its somehitng they missed during the "cleaning"
>> then i'd think they should warranty it .

Taxlover;

Clogged drains for air conditioning come from failing to replace air filters
often [easily done by the homeowner.] Why? Because if the air filters are
not replaced often, dirt collects on the evaporator coil. The air
conditioning washes that dirt down through the drain. The organic nature of
dirt, plus water causes sludge.

Clogged drains on the heating side of a condensing furnace on the other hand
don't happend often unless they were joined with the air conditioning. [The
resulting condensate from a high efficiency furnace comes from the inside of
the secondary coil(s) not exposed to dirt from the air side.] But because
of the higher temperatures, darkness and organic materials from the air
conditioning side, can cause high build ups of mold and fungus which clogges
drains.

If you've called this HVAC company in the past to do work for you, it is
likely he will consider it a call back no matter what's found. If this is
your 'first trip' with them, they may not. [It depends on what is found.]
If you had a "maintenance agreement" with them, it is likely covered and
there won't be any extra's.

*HVAC Gay Guy* is an idiot. He - she is apparently uninformed. Likes to
will-nilly accuse without any valid information. I generally don't like to
get into a [battle of wits] with an unarmed person. And they don't come any
less armed than HVAC Gay Guy. In fact I'd go as far as to say HVAC Gay Guy
is SCUM. He - she just has the acronyms wrong.

--
Zyp



Posted by Taxlover on December 26, 2007, 12:36 pm

> Taxlover wrote:
>>> where i come from , cleaning the drains is part of the service on a
>>> "tune and
>>> clean " for a 90 plus ,
>>> did he say he was gonna charge, or are you just gathering ammuniton
>>> , to shoot
>>> him down with , if he intends to?
>>>
>> He is due here "between 11am and 4pm". Just gathering ammunition; I
>> don't want to argue about it is my claim is unfounded.
>>
>>> too bad you didnt pay attention back in 2004 ,
>>>
>> This time I am going to take pictures... I think it is something they
>> should do for free, but if it were nighttime and -10 instead of sunny
>> and 40 getting it done quickly would be important!
>>
>>> bottom line , if its somehitng they missed during the "cleaning"
>>> then i'd think they should warranty it .
>
> Taxlover;
>
> Clogged drains for air conditioning come from failing to replace air
> filters often [easily done by the homeowner.] Why? Because if the air
> filters are not replaced often, dirt collects on the evaporator coil. The
> air conditioning washes that dirt down through the drain. The organic
> nature of dirt, plus water causes sludge.
>
> Clogged drains on the heating side of a condensing furnace on the other
> hand don't happend often unless they were joined with the air
> conditioning. [The resulting condensate from a high efficiency furnace
> comes from the inside of the secondary coil(s) not exposed to dirt from
> the air side.] But because of the higher temperatures, darkness and
> organic materials from the air conditioning side, can cause high build ups
> of mold and fungus which clogges drains.
>
It is joined to the AC, but the filter was changed last month with a 12
month pleated filter, at the same time it was cleaned.
So it must not have been cleaned; is that a fair presumption?

> If you've called this HVAC company in the past to do work for you, it is
> likely he will consider it a call back no matter what's found. If this is
> your 'first trip' with them, they may not. [It depends on what is
> found.] If you had a "maintenance agreement" with them, it is likely
> covered and there won't be any extra's.
>
They installed the system in 2003 and have been doing yearly maintenance
since.
I have an extended warranty, but apparently it doesn't cover something like
this.



Posted by on December 26, 2007, 12:43 pm
wrote:

>
>> Taxlover wrote:
>>>> where i come from , cleaning the drains is part of the service on a
>>>> "tune and
>>>> clean " for a 90 plus ,
>>>> did he say he was gonna charge, or are you just gathering ammuniton
>>>> , to shoot
>>>> him down with , if he intends to?
>>>>
>>> He is due here "between 11am and 4pm". Just gathering ammunition; I
>>> don't want to argue about it is my claim is unfounded.
>>>
>>>> too bad you didnt pay attention back in 2004 ,
>>>>
>>> This time I am going to take pictures... I think it is something they
>>> should do for free, but if it were nighttime and -10 instead of sunny
>>> and 40 getting it done quickly would be important!
>>>
>>>> bottom line , if its somehitng they missed during the "cleaning"
>>>> then i'd think they should warranty it .
>>
>> Taxlover;
>>
>> Clogged drains for air conditioning come from failing to replace air
>> filters often [easily done by the homeowner.] Why? Because if the air
>> filters are not replaced often, dirt collects on the evaporator coil. The
>> air conditioning washes that dirt down through the drain. The organic
>> nature of dirt, plus water causes sludge.
>>
>> Clogged drains on the heating side of a condensing furnace on the other
>> hand don't happend often unless they were joined with the air
>> conditioning. [The resulting condensate from a high efficiency furnace
>> comes from the inside of the secondary coil(s) not exposed to dirt from
>> the air side.] But because of the higher temperatures, darkness and
>> organic materials from the air conditioning side, can cause high build ups
>> of mold and fungus which clogges drains.
>>
>It is joined to the AC, but the filter was changed last month with a 12
>month pleated filter, at the same time it was cleaned.
>So it must not have been cleaned; is that a fair presumption?

        Yes. Fair enough that, at least, there should be no charge to
come back and clean it.

>
>> If you've called this HVAC company in the past to do work for you, it is
>> likely he will consider it a call back no matter what's found. If this is
>> your 'first trip' with them, they may not. [It depends on what is
>> found.] If you had a "maintenance agreement" with them, it is likely
>> covered and there won't be any extra's.
>>
>They installed the system in 2003 and have been doing yearly maintenance
>since.
>I have an extended warranty, but apparently it doesn't cover something like
>this.
>

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Posted by on December 26, 2007, 12:42 pm

>Taxlover wrote:
>>> where i come from , cleaning the drains is part of the service on a
>>> "tune and
>>> clean " for a 90 plus ,
>>> did he say he was gonna charge, or are you just gathering ammuniton
>>> , to shoot
>>> him down with , if he intends to?
>>>
>> He is due here "between 11am and 4pm". Just gathering ammunition; I
>> don't want to argue about it is my claim is unfounded.
>>
>>> too bad you didnt pay attention back in 2004 ,
>>>
>> This time I am going to take pictures... I think it is something they
>> should do for free, but if it were nighttime and -10 instead of sunny
>> and 40 getting it done quickly would be important!
>>
>>> bottom line , if its somehitng they missed during the "cleaning"
>>> then i'd think they should warranty it .
>
>Taxlover;
>
>Clogged drains for air conditioning come from failing to replace air filters
>often [easily done by the homeowner.] Why? Because if the air filters are
>not replaced often, dirt collects on the evaporator coil.

        Ummm.... no. The filters get clogged, is what happens.
Airflow is decreased. If anything, the 'holes' in the filter get
smaller as they get clogged up, allowing LESS dirt to pass through.

        IOW, an air filter can not be analogised to a bucket that
needs emptying before it overflows, etc.

        BTW, if it's a condensing unit, the drain in question could be
( and likely is, at this time of year ), the flue gas condensate
drain.

> The air
>conditioning washes that dirt down through the drain. The organic nature of
>dirt, plus water causes sludge.
>
>Clogged drains on the heating side of a condensing furnace on the other hand
>don't happend often unless they were joined with the air conditioning. [The
>resulting condensate from a high efficiency furnace comes from the inside of
>the secondary coil(s) not exposed to dirt from the air side.] But because
>of the higher temperatures, darkness and organic materials from the air
>conditioning side, can cause high build ups of mold and fungus which clogges
>drains.
>
>If you've called this HVAC company in the past to do work for you, it is
>likely he will consider it a call back no matter what's found. If this is
>your 'first trip' with them, they may not.

        You have a marvelous grasp of the obvious :-). Yes, if it's
the company's first call, it would likely not be a call BACK :-)



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