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Trane Low Ambient Kit Joseph 10-19-2007
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Posted by on October 20, 2007, 10:18 pm

> > wrote:
> >
> >>>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> >Guys,
> >>>> >
> >>>> > I just did startup on three Trane split HPs with low ambient
kits.
> >>> I was called
> >>>> >in because the tech who was there doing it said his compressor was
> >>> "surging". I get
> >>>> >there and get a few things fixed up and started the check out
(outside
> >>> ambient is
> >>>> >below 70 degrees F). The condenser fan is cycling on and off, 3
seconds
> >>> on, 3 seconds
> >>>> >off, which basically is causing the fan to speed up and slow down
> >>> continually. I
> >>>> >thought to myself, "Now that's different" and got out the installers
> >>> guide and sure
> >>>> >enough that's how it's supposed to work. OK, is it just me or does
this
> >>> sound like a
> >>>> >bad idea? I am a big fan of Trane equipment but this has got to be
hard
> >>> on the fan
> >>>> >motor and the relay(s) involved.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Joseph
> >>>>
> >>>> Ive never seen a compressor "surge" in all my days yet. He sounds
like
> >>>> an idiot.
> >>
> >> The surge was the fan reving up and down.
> >>
> >>>> Condenser fan on and off 3 seconds at a time. You cant read or you've
> >>>> been smoking something. Point me to what/where you read so I can see
> >>>> it myself.
> >>>> Bubba
> >>
> >>
> >> I don't smoke but I will drink on occasion.
> >>
> >> This was 7 am and I read it in black and white in the installer's
guide (at
> >> least
> >>twice). I'll get a copy of it and post it. I wouldn't shit you guys...
:)
> >
> > Stop reading in the dark at 7am without your glasses on. :-)
> >>
> >>
> >>> Somethings wrong no doubt... 3 sec on/off...
> >>
> >> It's just the way it is designed, no kidding.
> >>
> >>> That shit wouldn't last long and I thought you couldn't stop a trane.
:-)
> >>
> >>
> >> Another thing I thought was odd is that these HPs have a
filter/dryer
> >> installed
> >>6 inches from the compressor on the discharge line.
> >
> > Hey Joe,
> > I think someone just showed us that they are not too "worthy" with
> > that last statement you made. :-)
>
>
> OK I'll check the dryers, though I haven't seen Trane put them there
before and
> they didn't look like factory welds. IIRC Trane uses bullet dryer/muffler
for the
> factory installs.


ICP started using them when they added their 13 SEER line.
I would guess that Trane may have done the same thing.



Posted by Bubba on October 21, 2007, 10:04 am
wrote:

>> wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> >Guys,
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I just did startup on three Trane split HPs with low ambient kits.
>>>> I was called
>>>>> >in because the tech who was there doing it said his compressor was
>>>> "surging". I get
>>>>> >there and get a few things fixed up and started the check out (outside
>>>> ambient is
>>>>> >below 70 degrees F). The condenser fan is cycling on and off, 3 seconds
>>>> on, 3 seconds
>>>>> >off, which basically is causing the fan to speed up and slow down
>>>> continually. I
>>>>> >thought to myself, "Now that's different" and got out the installers
>>>> guide and sure
>>>>> >enough that's how it's supposed to work. OK, is it just me or does this
>>>> sound like a
>>>>> >bad idea? I am a big fan of Trane equipment but this has got to be hard
>>>> on the fan
>>>>> >motor and the relay(s) involved.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Joseph
>>>>>
>>>>> Ive never seen a compressor "surge" in all my days yet. He sounds like
>>>>> an idiot.
>>>
>>> The surge was the fan reving up and down.
>>>
>>>>> Condenser fan on and off 3 seconds at a time. You cant read or you've
>>>>> been smoking something. Point me to what/where you read so I can see
>>>>> it myself.
>>>>> Bubba
>>>
>>>
>>> I don't smoke but I will drink on occasion.
>>>
>>> This was 7 am and I read it in black and white in the installer's guide
(at
>>> least
>>>twice). I'll get a copy of it and post it. I wouldn't shit you guys... :)
>>
>> Stop reading in the dark at 7am without your glasses on. :-)
>>>
>>>
>>>> Somethings wrong no doubt... 3 sec on/off...
>>>
>>> It's just the way it is designed, no kidding.
>>>
>>>> That shit wouldn't last long and I thought you couldn't stop a trane. :-)
>>>
>>>
>>> Another thing I thought was odd is that these HPs have a filter/dryer
>>> installed
>>>6 inches from the compressor on the discharge line.
>>
>> Hey Joe,
>> I think someone just showed us that they are not too "worthy" with
>> that last statement you made. :-)
>
>
> OK I'll check the dryers, though I haven't seen Trane put them there before
and
>they didn't look like factory welds. IIRC Trane uses bullet dryer/muffler for
the
>factory installs.
>
>
>> And YES, I would love for you to post me those install instruction
>> about the 3 sec on , 3 sec off being correct operation.
>> Bubba
>
> You got it.
>
>
>>
>>> I was taught not to do that...
>>>What's going on??? Was there a meeting I didn't get invited to, where these
things
>>>were thought up???
>>>
>>> Joseph
>>>
>>>
Aint learnin (just keeping on top) a bitch? :-)
Bubba

Posted by Joseph on October 21, 2007, 6:25 pm
snip
>>
>>> And YES, I would love for you to post me those install instruction
>>> about the 3 sec on , 3 sec off being correct operation.
>>> Bubba
>>
>> You got it.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>> I was taught not to do that...
>>>>What's going on??? Was there a meeting I didn't get invited to, where these
>>>>things
>>>>were thought up???
>>>>
>>>> Joseph
>>>>
>>>>
> Aint learnin (just keeping on top) a bitch? :-)
> Bubba


It's like swimming upstream, just treading water will put you out to sea...
:)

It used to be fun going to all the tech meetings the vendors used to
sponsor.
These days they have just about dropped all pretense of them being any more than
just
a sales pitch. Last few I attended there were only a few techs there. The
demand has
either went away or the techs just got tired of the sales pitches, hard to tell.
Some
of the most "effective training" I received, as a young tech, was the free night
stuff
the vendors put on. The old Techs that I could talk to at these meetings are
what
made the difference for me, and they knew their stuff too. It was a confidence
builder to be able to teach the Boss and the rest of the guys the right way to
do
things. Didn't hurt when it came time for raises either.

Joseph



Posted by Bill on October 22, 2007, 6:17 pm

> It used to be fun going to all the tech meetings the vendors used to
> sponsor.
> These days they have just about dropped all pretense of them being any more
> than just
> a sales pitch. Last few I attended there were only a few techs there. The
> demand has
> either went away or the techs just got tired of the sales pitches, hard to
> tell. Some
> of the most "effective training" I received, as a young tech, was the free
> night stuff
> the vendors put on. The old Techs that I could talk to at these meetings are
> what
> made the difference for me, and they knew their stuff too. It was a
> confidence
> builder to be able to teach the Boss and the rest of the guys the right way
> to do
> things. Didn't hurt when it came time for raises either.
>
> Joseph

Amazes me that so many aren't RSES members or subscribers to any trade
publications. How can they think to keep up or even get ahead?

--
Ron Paul or more of the same.

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/

Posted by Zyp on October 20, 2007, 5:00 pm
kjpro @ usenet.com wrote:
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Guys,
>>>
>>> I just did startup on three Trane split HPs with low ambient
>>> kits. I was called in because the tech who was there doing it said
>>> his compressor was "surging". I get there and get a few things
>>> fixed up and started the check out (outside ambient is below 70
>>> degrees F). The condenser fan is cycling on and off, 3 seconds on,
>>> 3 seconds off, which basically is causing the fan to speed up and
>>> slow down continually. I thought to myself, "Now that's different"
>>> and got out the installers guide and sure enough that's how it's
>>> supposed to work. OK, is it just me or does this sound like a bad
>>> idea? I am a big fan of Trane equipment but this has got to be
>>> hard on the fan motor and the relay(s) involved.
>>>
>>> Joseph
>>
>> Ive never seen a compressor "surge" in all my days yet. He sounds
>> like an idiot.
>> Condenser fan on and off 3 seconds at a time. You cant read or you've
>> been smoking something. Point me to what/where you read so I can see
>> it myself.
>> Bubba
>
> Somethings wrong no doubt... 3 sec on/off...
> That shit wouldn't last long and I thought you couldn't stop a trane.
> :-)

I saw a TRANE stopped by a fire once! :)

--
Zyp



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