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Waterfurnace Problems : Update rodthacker 05-17-2007
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Posted by on May 17, 2007, 2:09 pm
Today, I had my installor, State inspector and a Waterfurnace
field consultant to our home. It's taken a year of on going repairs,
to find the problem. I have a damper in my attic for zone 3. The
14'' round supply runs out of the air handler in my crawl space, to a
damper in my attic. They found a major leak between the two. On a
short term fix, they will be moving the attic damper to the crawl
space. The next step is taking out sheetrock and sealing the leak. I
hope this will fix the problem. Thanks to the group for your input.
I still think the 14'' round supply is to small for a 6 ton unit but
I'm not a HVAC expert.
Thank again.


Posted by on May 17, 2007, 7:53 pm
rodthacker@tds.net wrote:

> Today, I had my installor, State inspector and a Waterfurnace
>field consultant to our home. It's taken a year of on going repairs,
>to find the problem. I have a damper in my attic for zone 3. The
>14'' round supply runs out of the air handler in my crawl space, to a
>damper in my attic. They found a major leak between the two. On a
>short term fix, they will be moving the attic damper to the crawl
>space. The next step is taking out sheetrock and sealing the leak. I
>hope this will fix the problem. Thanks to the group for your input.
>I still think the 14'' round supply is to small for a 6 ton unit but
>I'm not a HVAC expert.
>Thank again.


Ask the water furnace rep what static pressure range their system is
designed for, and then ask the installer to measure TESP and verify
the installed system is within the range specified by the rep.

six tons at a nominal 400 cfm per ton yields 2400 cfm. Your system
should have a 16" & 14" duct at minimum or one 20" duct for both
supply and return.

Before removing any sheetrock request your installer perform a blower
door test AND a duct blaster test. If that is over his head or out of
his league, find someone locally to perform these tests for you, with
any duct leakage repairs back charged to the installer.
http://www.southface.org/web/resources&services/publications/factsheets/22blowdoor.pdf

Until the airflow is correct your system cannot perform to
manufacturers specs.

Posted by on May 17, 2007, 8:43 pm
On May 17, 7:53 pm, gof...@gonefishin.net wrote:
> rodthac...@tds.net wrote:
> > Today, I had my installor, State inspector and a Waterfurnace
> >field consultant to our home. It's taken a year of on going repairs,
> >to find the problem. I have a damper in my attic for zone 3. The
> >14'' round supply runs out of the air handler in my crawl space, to a
> >damper in my attic. They found a major leak between the two. On a
> >short term fix, they will be moving the attic damper to the crawl
> >space. The next step is taking out sheetrock and sealing the leak. I
> >hope this will fix the problem. Thanks to the group for your input.
> >I still think the 14'' round supply is to small for a 6 ton unit but
> >I'm not a HVAC expert.
> >Thank again.
>
> Ask the water furnace rep what static pressure range their system is
> designed for, and then ask the installer to measure TESP and verify
> the installed system is within the range specified by the rep.
>
> six tons at a nominal 400 cfm per ton yields 2400 cfm. Your system
> should have a 16" & 14" duct at minimum or one 20" duct for both
> supply and return.
>
> Before removing any sheetrock request your installer perform a blower
> door test AND a duct blaster test. If that is over his head or out of
> his league, find someone locally to perform these tests for you, with
> any duct leakage repairs back charged to the
installer.http://www.southface.org/web/resources&services/publications/factshee...
>
> Until the airflow is correct your system cannot perform to
> manufacturers specs.

>> I'm in Eastern Ky. I've had to pay for contractors from out of the area to
do some jobs. The Waterfurance rep. took notes and checked the system. The
report will go to Waterfurance and then the installing dealer, I can only get
the report from the installing dealer. The control on the waterfurance can be
set to do almost anything. I've had blower door test, and duct leakage test
performed already. Everyone has a different opinion on the duct size. This
problem has been on going for over a year.

Thanks, RT


Posted by on May 18, 2007, 12:53 am

> On May 17, 7:53 pm, gof...@gonefishin.net wrote:
> > rodthac...@tds.net wrote:
> > > Today, I had my installor, State inspector and a Waterfurnace
> > >field consultant to our home. It's taken a year of on going repairs,
> > >to find the problem. I have a damper in my attic for zone 3. The
> > >14'' round supply runs out of the air handler in my crawl space, to a
> > >damper in my attic. They found a major leak between the two. On a
> > >short term fix, they will be moving the attic damper to the crawl
> > >space. The next step is taking out sheetrock and sealing the leak. I
> > >hope this will fix the problem. Thanks to the group for your input.
> > >I still think the 14'' round supply is to small for a 6 ton unit but
> > >I'm not a HVAC expert.
> > >Thank again.
> >
> > Ask the water furnace rep what static pressure range their system is
> > designed for, and then ask the installer to measure TESP and verify
> > the installed system is within the range specified by the rep.
> >
> > six tons at a nominal 400 cfm per ton yields 2400 cfm. Your system
> > should have a 16" & 14" duct at minimum or one 20" duct for both
> > supply and return.
> >
> > Before removing any sheetrock request your installer perform a blower
> > door test AND a duct blaster test. If that is over his head or out of
> > his league, find someone locally to perform these tests for you, with
> > any duct leakage repairs back charged to the
installer.http://www.southface.org/web/resources&services/publications/facts
hee...
> >
> > Until the airflow is correct your system cannot perform to
> > manufacturers specs.
>
> >> I'm in Eastern Ky. I've had to pay for contractors from out of the
area to do some jobs. The Waterfurance rep. took notes and checked the
system. The report will go to Waterfurance and then the installing dealer,
I can only get the report from the installing dealer. The control on the
waterfurance can be set to do almost anything. I've had blower door test,
and duct leakage test performed already. Everyone has a different opinion
on the duct size. This problem has been on going for over a year.
> Thanks, RT


And will continue, till you find someone that's competent.




Posted by Zephyr on May 19, 2007, 5:33 pm
The following link:
http://www.waterfurnace.com/Envision/pdf/SP1585.pdf

seems to provide a wealth of information. One being that the 6-Ton
waterfurnace [NS70] by this Manufacturer requires that no more than .5"
w.c. e.s.p. to achieve the 2000 cfm noted on their product sheets. Anything
higher reaps something considerably less. You can go as high as 2300 cfm,
but all and all, I don't think you are achieving that [2000 cfm] with a 14"
or even a 16" supply / return duct. Particularly if it's flexible type(s).

What the O.P. might consider is getting someone there with a ALNOR hood and
measure the actual air flow.

--
Zyp

>
> > On May 17, 7:53 pm, gof...@gonefishin.net wrote:
> > > rodthac...@tds.net wrote:
> > > > Today, I had my installor, State inspector and a Waterfurnace
> > > >field consultant to our home. It's taken a year of on going repairs,
> > > >to find the problem. I have a damper in my attic for zone 3. The
> > > >14'' round supply runs out of the air handler in my crawl space, to
a
> > > >damper in my attic. They found a major leak between the two. On a
> > > >short term fix, they will be moving the attic damper to the crawl
> > > >space. The next step is taking out sheetrock and sealing the leak.
I
> > > >hope this will fix the problem. Thanks to the group for your input.
> > > >I still think the 14'' round supply is to small for a 6 ton unit but
> > > >I'm not a HVAC expert.
> > > >Thank again.
> > >
> > > Ask the water furnace rep what static pressure range their system is
> > > designed for, and then ask the installer to measure TESP and verify
> > > the installed system is within the range specified by the rep.
> > >
> > > six tons at a nominal 400 cfm per ton yields 2400 cfm. Your system
> > > should have a 16" & 14" duct at minimum or one 20" duct for both
> > > supply and return.
> > >
> > > Before removing any sheetrock request your installer perform a blower
> > > door test AND a duct blaster test. If that is over his head or out of
> > > his league, find someone locally to perform these tests for you, with
> > > any duct leakage repairs back charged to the
>
installer.http://www.southface.org/web/resources&services/publications/facts
> hee...
> > >
> > > Until the airflow is correct your system cannot perform to
> > > manufacturers specs.
> >
> > >> I'm in Eastern Ky. I've had to pay for contractors from out of the
> area to do some jobs. The Waterfurance rep. took notes and checked the
> system. The report will go to Waterfurance and then the installing
dealer,
> I can only get the report from the installing dealer. The control on the
> waterfurance can be set to do almost anything. I've had blower door test,
> and duct leakage test performed already. Everyone has a different opinion
> on the duct size. This problem has been on going for over a year.
> > Thanks, RT
>
>
> And will continue, till you find someone that's competent.
>
>
>



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