What brand 410 A are you guys installing?

Posted by KJPRO on May 14, 2008, 3:24 pm

> The real problem is the Goodman distibutors who sell the
> equipment to any unlicensed hack who doesn't install it correctly.

For anyone that doesn't believe the above statement, read it till you
understand WHY it's true!

Posted by KJPRO on May 13, 2008, 1:19 pm

> If that's so then it only proves my theory of how poor the coils are being
> made. Just think of it, a coil failing because of an excess mixture
> of air & moisture from improper drain trapping. I tell my customers all
> the
> time not to expect the same life out of the new unit that they got out of
> their old one. Hell you're lucky to get a capacitor to last five years
> today & the manufacturers blame it on the heat. Like it just started
> getting hot in the twenty first century.

Low voltages...

Posted by KJPRO on May 12, 2008, 11:12 pm

>I usually do the start-ups, pull the vacuum etc., but as far as I'm
> concerned "formicary corrosion" is a phrase made up to mask
> the real meaning which is "coil made like crap". We've been using the
> same installation techniques,refrigerant (R-22) & oil for a lot of years
> without hearing about "formicary corrosion". Now in recent years coils are
> leaking at a ridiculous rate because of formicary corrosion. I'm not
> saying it doesn't exist, so does rust, but if a coil is made strong
> or thick enough it will outlast a compressor. The copper tubing in todays
> coils is probably half the thickness of those made thirty years ago. That
> coupled with the fact that workmanship has become a joke in our society
> gives rise to "formicary corrosion".

I hear what you're saying.
Todays coils are just to thin with the added rifling effect to raise the
efficiency, that "any" deteriorating of the copper is going to create a
leak. :-(

Posted by Dr. Hardcrab on May 11, 2008, 8:05 am

>>I posted last week about starting with 410A & wanted to know what brands
>> some of you are selling & if you're having good results so far.
>> I changed from Heil to Goodman quite a few years ago & contrary to
>> what most might think have never regretted it. My warrantee problems have
>> been virtually nil & profits have been better for years. Lately I've been
>> having some leaking AH coils on in warranty units & am starting to get
>> worried. I'm a little nervous about using their 410A units since they use
>> the same coils as their 22 units so decided to change brands. I tried a
>> Payne 410A last week & it went OK for now. Just looking for some
>> experienced opinions good or bad.

> Gary, I have been installing Rheem for years, and have only had one evap
> that leaked after 6 months, out of dozens of R410a systems I have
> installed. My business became profitable when I went to flat rate and
> learned about the business of running a business.

When R-410 first came out, we were selling Rheem (I still have my "Rheem
Team" ID somewhere) and we never had a problem with a units. Because of a
distibutor change, we switched to Carrier and American Standard.

Now I know a lot of you don't like Carrier, but other than the condensor
coil leaks back in the 90s (and that was more prominate on the R-22 units),
we have never had any problems since.

Posted by Zyp on May 11, 2008, 1:05 pm

Dr. Hardcrab wrote:

>>> I posted last week about starting with 410A & wanted to know what
>>> brands some of you are selling & if you're having good results so
>>> far. I changed from Heil to Goodman quite a few years ago & contrary to
>>> what most might think have never regretted it. My warrantee
>>> problems have been virtually nil & profits have been better for
>>> years. Lately I've been having some leaking AH coils on in warranty
>>> units & am starting to get worried. I'm a little nervous about
>>> using their 410A units since they use the same coils as their 22
>>> units so decided to change brands. I tried a Payne 410A last week &
>>> it went OK for now. Just looking for some experienced opinions good
>>> or bad.

>> Gary, I have been installing Rheem for years, and have only had one
>> evap that leaked after 6 months, out of dozens of R410a systems I
>> have installed. My business became profitable when I went to flat
>> rate and learned about the business of running a business.

> When R-410 first came out, we were selling Rheem (I still have my
> "Rheem Team" ID somewhere) and we never had a problem with a units.
> Because of a distibutor change, we switched to Carrier and American
> Standard.
> Now I know a lot of you don't like Carrier, but other than the
> condensor coil leaks back in the 90s (and that was more prominate on
> the R-22 units), we have never had any problems since.

Quite Frankly;

As long as they don't produce any more aluminimum coils, we're good.

--
Zyp

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