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When one wants to sell a business daytona° 05-24-2007
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Posted by daytona° on May 24, 2007, 9:55 pm
> Speaking as one who sold their hvac business back in 99 to a large
> company, I dont have any magic as to what you can ask for the
> business. In the end, the purchaser is only going to pay what they
> think it is worth.
> I can tell you that what they are interested in is:
> Service Agreements
> Customer base (made up of actual useable customers)
> Your phone number
> Your company name
> Tools and trucks are considered minor unless you have a fleet of brand
> new vans.
> You building is usually worthless to them.
> Bubba

Excellent Bubba

Service Agreements - NONE...never believed in them for the 33 years I have
been in business. I do have a reasoning for this
Customer Base - 2800 customers on the books....most likely 65% repeat
customers. A few large Real Estates as customers...brings steady business
My Phone number - they can have it
Company name - They can have that....they won't keep it long
Tools & Trucks...have value anywhere
My building ....very profitable...it brings enough to offset just about
anything...10 units...4 commercial (I take up 2) and 6 nice apts located on
MAIN highway




Posted by Bubba on May 26, 2007, 1:10 pm
wrote:

>> Speaking as one who sold their hvac business back in 99 to a large
>> company, I dont have any magic as to what you can ask for the
>> business. In the end, the purchaser is only going to pay what they
>> think it is worth.
>> I can tell you that what they are interested in is:
>> Service Agreements
>> Customer base (made up of actual useable customers)
>> Your phone number
>> Your company name
>> Tools and trucks are considered minor unless you have a fleet of brand
>> new vans.
>> You building is usually worthless to them.
>> Bubba
>
>Excellent Bubba
>
>Service Agreements - NONE...never believed in them for the 33 years I have
>been in business. I do have a reasoning for this

Too bad. Its not "what you believe in" its "what sells". Service
Agreement customers mean an almost 100% in the bank customer for the
term of the agreement to the new purchaser and CUSTOMERS are what the
new company wants.
A customer base is great but without anything to tie that customer to
the new owner, 50% (pulled that # outta my ass) of those "customer
base customers" may just leave.

>Customer Base - 2800 customers on the books....most likely 65% repeat
>customers. A few large Real Estates as customers...brings steady business
>My Phone number - they can have it
>Company name - They can have that....they won't keep it long
>Tools & Trucks...have value anywhere

BUT NOT what you think they are worth..........especially the tools.

>My building ....very profitable...it brings enough to offset just about
>anything...10 units...4 commercial (I take up 2) and 6 nice apts located on
>MAIN highway
>
>
Your building sounds like an awesome good thing but the purchasing
company may already have a business location. Nevertheless, it sounds
like you have a very nice piece of real estate someone will be
interested in.
Good Luck.

Bubba

Posted by daytona° on June 14, 2007, 9:13 pm
I see your point....(coming late now) since Homer chimed in.
The building (no doubt) I would want to sell separately at this point.But if
it goes at the sell of the business...so be it. But when one is buying a
business, they are basically buying a job. So how much do they want to spend
to work?
I have my eye on another business (with the wife's blessing) and it does not
require 24/7 attention.
Just getting tired of all the BS with the public and employees....NO WHAT I
MEAN???
JB

Yes ... I am a top poster...I hate scrolling all they way to bottom...or
even yet...reading between the lines and paragraphs


> wrote:
>
>>> Speaking as one who sold their hvac business back in 99 to a large
>>> company, I dont have any magic as to what you can ask for the
>>> business. In the end, the purchaser is only going to pay what they
>>> think it is worth.
>>> I can tell you that what they are interested in is:
>>> Service Agreements
>>> Customer base (made up of actual useable customers)
>>> Your phone number
>>> Your company name
>>> Tools and trucks are considered minor unless you have a fleet of brand
>>> new vans.
>>> You building is usually worthless to them.
>>> Bubba
>>
>>Excellent Bubba
>>
>>Service Agreements - NONE...never believed in them for the 33 years I have
>>been in business. I do have a reasoning for this
>
> Too bad. Its not "what you believe in" its "what sells". Service
> Agreement customers mean an almost 100% in the bank customer for the
> term of the agreement to the new purchaser and CUSTOMERS are what the
> new company wants.
> A customer base is great but without anything to tie that customer to
> the new owner, 50% (pulled that # outta my ass) of those "customer
> base customers" may just leave.
>
>>Customer Base - 2800 customers on the books....most likely 65% repeat
>>customers. A few large Real Estates as customers...brings steady business
>>My Phone number - they can have it
>>Company name - They can have that....they won't keep it long
>>Tools & Trucks...have value anywhere
>
> BUT NOT what you think they are worth..........especially the tools.
>
>>My building ....very profitable...it brings enough to offset just about
>>anything...10 units...4 commercial (I take up 2) and 6 nice apts located
>>on
>>MAIN highway
>>
>>
> Your building sounds like an awesome good thing but the purchasing
> company may already have a business location. Nevertheless, it sounds
> like you have a very nice piece of real estate someone will be
> interested in.
> Good Luck.
>
> Bubba



Posted by HomerS on June 14, 2007, 8:18 am
wrote:

>> Speaking as one who sold their hvac business back in 99 to a large
>> company, I dont have any magic as to what you can ask for the
>> business. In the end, the purchaser is only going to pay what they
>> think it is worth.
>> I can tell you that what they are interested in is:
>> Service Agreements
>> Customer base (made up of actual useable customers)
>> Your phone number
>> Your company name
>> Tools and trucks are considered minor unless you have a fleet of brand
>> new vans.
>> You building is usually worthless to them.
>> Bubba
>
>Excellent Bubba
>
>Service Agreements - NONE...never believed in them for the 33 years I have
>been in business. I do have a reasoning for this
>Customer Base - 2800 customers on the books....most likely 65% repeat
>customers. A few large Real Estates as customers...brings steady business
>My Phone number - they can have it
>Company name - They can have that....they won't keep it long
>Tools & Trucks...have value anywhere
>My building ....very profitable...it brings enough to offset just about
>anything...10 units...4 commercial (I take up 2) and 6 nice apts located on
>MAIN highway

The hard assets must be valued individually and is not a problem,
just time consuming, so start making a list.

The value of your business is determined after you let the buyer or
representative look at your books for the last few years. You can
usually figure the value as a multiple of 2 to 4 times gross NET
annual income. So if you have had a gross net of 80,000 before your
imaginitive tax calculations, then your business is worth about 160k
to 320k plus all the used assets value.

Intangibles such as good will are impossible to value which is why
the multiple of gross net is so attactive.

HomerS
.





Posted by Bubba on June 14, 2007, 6:39 pm

>wrote:
>
>>> Speaking as one who sold their hvac business back in 99 to a large
>>> company, I dont have any magic as to what you can ask for the
>>> business. In the end, the purchaser is only going to pay what they
>>> think it is worth.
>>> I can tell you that what they are interested in is:
>>> Service Agreements
>>> Customer base (made up of actual useable customers)
>>> Your phone number
>>> Your company name
>>> Tools and trucks are considered minor unless you have a fleet of brand
>>> new vans.
>>> You building is usually worthless to them.
>>> Bubba
>>
>>Excellent Bubba
>>
>>Service Agreements - NONE...never believed in them for the 33 years I have
>>been in business. I do have a reasoning for this
>>Customer Base - 2800 customers on the books....most likely 65% repeat
>>customers. A few large Real Estates as customers...brings steady business
>>My Phone number - they can have it
>>Company name - They can have that....they won't keep it long
>>Tools & Trucks...have value anywhere
>>My building ....very profitable...it brings enough to offset just about
>>anything...10 units...4 commercial (I take up 2) and 6 nice apts located on
>>MAIN highway
>
> The hard assets must be valued individually and is not a problem,
>just time consuming, so start making a list.
>
> The value of your business is determined after you let the buyer or
>representative look at your books for the last few years. You can
>usually figure the value as a multiple of 2 to 4 times gross NET
>annual income. So if you have had a gross net of 80,000 before your
>imaginitive tax calculations, then your business is worth about 160k
>to 320k plus all the used assets value.
>
> Intangibles such as good will are impossible to value which is why
>the multiple of gross net is so attactive.
>
>HomerS
>.
>
Homer,
Your post is late and your calcs are way off? Have you actually sold a
hvac business before?
Here's a big big clue.
When you go to sell a hvac company there is not a list of 50 companies
beating a path to your door to hand you a million dollar check.
If you are lucky, you will find ONE company/person interested. I got
even luckier. I had two. One was very interested and was ready to hand
me that check almost immediately. Only problem was, it wasnt a million
or even close. The other co was interested but kept dragging their
feet. I wasnt interested in waiting a few months. It was gone in less
than a week.
Bottom line is, ........your company is worth what the buyer is
willing to pay.
Bubba

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