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Which Motor -- GE vs A.O. Smith? Ken Hall 09-11-2006
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Posted by Ken Hall on September 11, 2006, 6:09 pm
I need to replace my 1/4 HP 230v 1075 RPM outside condenser fan motor.
The current motor is a FASCO, but I can't find a FASCO dealer near me
who sells to the public.

I can get either a GE or an A.O. Smith replacement for about the same
price.

Is one of these brands any better than the other.

-- Ken

Posted by Kevin on September 11, 2006, 7:20 pm
Test
>I need to replace my 1/4 HP 230v 1075 RPM outside condenser fan motor.
> The current motor is a FASCO, but I can't find a FASCO dealer near me
> who sells to the public.
>
> I can get either a GE or an A.O. Smith replacement for about the same
> price.
>
> Is one of these brands any better than the other.
>
> -- Ken



Posted by Mo Hoaner on September 11, 2006, 7:39 pm
> Test

BER, while a useful end-to-end metric of a signal, is NOT the appropriate
measurement to be making here - modulation fidelity is.
Yes - a high BER will cause your signal to fall on its face. But what causes
a high BER? It is the radio's inability to distinguish between symbols. And
what is the measurement of how "hard" symbols are to distinguish? Modulation
fidelity. You will see pretty much the same BER for a 10% modulation
fidelity error as you will for a 0.7% error, but if you see a 10% MFE you
can know the system is NOT performing well - you have lost most of your
margin for decode, and any increase at all in the distortion of the signal
will start causing errors.

Think of it as the difference between SINAD and intelligibility - you can
have a 20 dB SINAD or a 12 dB SINAD, and still understand what the other guy
is saying 100% - but if you are at a 12 dB SINAD coming out of the repeater,
any additional noise is going to start causing a whole lot of "What did you
say? Say again?" traffic.

The advantage of regenerating the digital signal, even if you don't apply
the forward error correction at that point, is that you can go from a 10%
MFE to a 0.7% MFE, and thus improve the odds of correctly decoding the
signal.

AND, if you then apply the FEC to the signal, you can further clean it up,
so that you can once again pick up bit errors without the radio being unable
to decode.

From MOL Astro25 Readme file:

New Radio Features Supported:
=============================
NOTE: Firmware version R08.00.00 or greater is required for all features
-Quik Call II Encode/Decode
-DTMF Encode/Decode
-In-Call Alert Operation for ASTRO, MDC, QCII, DTMF and Trunking
-'Failsoft Connect Tone'
-MDC Emergency Alarm Indication
-Smart Rugged Battery for the XTS 2500 and XTS 1500 radios
-Rotary Switch Lock for Channels
-Scan Lists have been increased to a maximum of 64

New CPS features supported:
===========================
- The CPS is now capable of upgrading the PR 1500 and the MT 1500 radios
using FLASHport.
- The CPS is now capable of upgrading from rebanded XTS models to the
traditional APCO 25 capable XTS models using FLASHport. An XTS 1500 RB model
can be upgraded to a
traditional XTS 1500 model and an XTS 2500 RB model can be upgraded to a
traditional XTS 2500 model.
Please note that a new FLASHkey will be needed for this operation.
-Please note that new field 'Failsoft Connect Tone' can only be Advance
System Key protected if 'Connect Tone' is also protected. Specific
protection just for this field is not supported.

Looks like that's it.



Posted by =?iso-8859-15?Q?Tekkie=AE?= on September 12, 2006, 9:32 pm
Mo Hoaner posted for all of us...

> > Test
>
> BER, while a useful end-to-end metric of a signal, is NOT the appropriate
> measurement to be making here - modulation fidelity is.
> Yes - a high BER will cause your signal to fall on its face. But what causes
> a high BER? It is the radio's inability to distinguish between symbols. And
> what is the measurement of how "hard" symbols are to distinguish? Modulation
> fidelity. You will see pretty much the same BER for a 10% modulation
> fidelity error as you will for a 0.7% error, but if you see a 10% MFE you
> can know the system is NOT performing well - you have lost most of your
> margin for decode, and any increase at all in the distortion of the signal
> will start causing errors.
>
> Think of it as the difference between SINAD and intelligibility - you can
> have a 20 dB SINAD or a 12 dB SINAD, and still understand what the other guy
> is saying 100% - but if you are at a 12 dB SINAD coming out of the repeater,
> any additional noise is going to start causing a whole lot of "What did you
> say? Say again?" traffic.
>
> The advantage of regenerating the digital signal, even if you don't apply
> the forward error correction at that point, is that you can go from a 10%
> MFE to a 0.7% MFE, and thus improve the odds of correctly decoding the
> signal.
>
> AND, if you then apply the FEC to the signal, you can further clean it up,
> so that you can once again pick up bit errors without the radio being unable
> to decode.
>
> From MOL Astro25 Readme file:
>
> New Radio Features Supported:
> =============================
> NOTE: Firmware version R08.00.00 or greater is required for all features
> -Quik Call II Encode/Decode
> -DTMF Encode/Decode
> -In-Call Alert Operation for ASTRO, MDC, QCII, DTMF and Trunking
> -'Failsoft Connect Tone'
> -MDC Emergency Alarm Indication
> -Smart Rugged Battery for the XTS 2500 and XTS 1500 radios
> -Rotary Switch Lock for Channels
> -Scan Lists have been increased to a maximum of 64
>
> New CPS features supported:
> ===========================
> - The CPS is now capable of upgrading the PR 1500 and the MT 1500 radios
> using FLASHport.
> - The CPS is now capable of upgrading from rebanded XTS models to the
> traditional APCO 25 capable XTS models using FLASHport. An XTS 1500 RB model
> can be upgraded to a
> traditional XTS 1500 model and an XTS 2500 RB model can be upgraded to a
> traditional XTS 2500 model.
> Please note that a new FLASHkey will be needed for this operation.
> -Please note that new field 'Failsoft Connect Tone' can only be Advance
> System Key protected if 'Connect Tone' is also protected. Specific
> protection just for this field is not supported.
>
> Looks like that's it.
>
>
>
Stay out of my trunked system
--
Tekkie "There's no such thing as a tool I don't need."

Posted by Jake on September 12, 2006, 10:04 pm

> Stay out of my trunked system

I think your SYSID interval is too high...

Maybe that's on EDACS, though.

Jake

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