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bulges and "hot spots" inside 20 year old furnace...do I really need new one? jay-n-123@verizon.net 10-04-2007
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Posted by jay-n-123@verizon.net on October 4, 2007, 6:38 pm
I had my 20 year old Carrier forced air furnace tuned up today. The
technician snaked a camera up the inside of the furnace. He did NOT find
any cracks, but he found "bulging spots" which he also referred to as "hot
spots", inside the furnace. He claimed the heat exchanger had these bulges
and claimed that this is a sign that it is getting close to developing
cracks, and showed me the bulges.

But I wonder if what he showed me really was the heat exchanger....can a
camera can really be snaked up inside a heat exchanger?...or was what he
showed me something else. I always assumed that a heat exchanger is a
tremendously dense piece of metal and that you would not be able to "view
inside it with a camera" only "view it from below with a camera". This
same cavity could also be seen without a camera by looking into the furnace
with flashlight (he had removed one of the panels above where the burners
are) What he showed me was was a vertical cavity which had a couple of
bulges on the sides of the cavity which were bulging toward the outside.
Is that really the heat exchanger he showed me? What does the heat
exchanger on a 20 Yr. old Carrier furnace look like and exactly where is it
located?

There is also some rust present on the inside of the furnace.

The burners look like they produce a nice blue flame.

The technician is recommending a new furnace based on the age and based on
the bulges and rust. Do I really need to be seriously thinking about
getting a new furnace at this time because of the rust and bulges, or is it
possible this furnace could last several more years? I believe they
recommended a new furnace 3 years ago when I moved in although I don't
recall anyone showing me the bulges before, but I'm suspecting they could
have been present 3 years ago too.

BTW, the company I've been using prefers to install Goodman systems,
although they would also be willing to give me a price on another brand that
I have in mind which is Carrier. They say that they will warranty both the
parts and labor for 10 years on the Goodman, but the warranty on the Carrier
would depend on what their warranty is. Is a Goodman likely to last as long
as a Carrier?

Thanks,

J.



Posted by Meat Plow on October 4, 2007, 7:06 pm
On Thu, 04 Oct 2007 22:38:58 +0000, jay-n-123@verizon.net wrote:

> I had my 20 year old Carrier forced air furnace tuned up today. The
> technician snaked a camera up the inside of the furnace. He did NOT find
> any cracks, but he found "bulging spots" which he also referred to as "hot
> spots", inside the furnace. He claimed the heat exchanger had these bulges
> and claimed that this is a sign that it is getting close to developing
> cracks, and showed me the bulges.
>
> But I wonder if what he showed me really was the heat exchanger....can a
> camera can really be snaked up inside a heat exchanger?...or was what he
> showed me something else. I always assumed that a heat exchanger is a
> tremendously dense piece of metal and that you would not be able to "view
> inside it with a camera" only "view it from below with a camera". This
> same cavity could also be seen without a camera by looking into the furnace
> with flashlight (he had removed one of the panels above where the burners
> are) What he showed me was was a vertical cavity which had a couple of
> bulges on the sides of the cavity which were bulging toward the outside.
> Is that really the heat exchanger he showed me? What does the heat
> exchanger on a 20 Yr. old Carrier furnace look like and exactly where is it
> located?
>
> There is also some rust present on the inside of the furnace.
>
> The burners look like they produce a nice blue flame.
>
> The technician is recommending a new furnace based on the age and based on
> the bulges and rust. Do I really need to be seriously thinking about
> getting a new furnace at this time because of the rust and bulges, or is it
> possible this furnace could last several more years? I believe they
> recommended a new furnace 3 years ago when I moved in although I don't
> recall anyone showing me the bulges before, but I'm suspecting they could
> have been present 3 years ago too.
>
> BTW, the company I've been using prefers to install Goodman systems,
> although they would also be willing to give me a price on another brand that
> I have in mind which is Carrier. They say that they will warranty both the
> parts and labor for 10 years on the Goodman, but the warranty on the Carrier
> would depend on what their warranty is. Is a Goodman likely to last as long
> as a Carrier?
>
> Thanks,
>

I used to do furnace checks and was told to sell new furnace installs at
any cost short of being fraudulent. The heat exchanger in you furnace is
welded steel and is not known to crack or develop leaks at the welded
seams. However at 20 years in service I would consider an upgrade if it is
your budget to afford it. If it is affordable you would benefit from an
increased efficiency in a high SEER rated furnace.

Posted by on October 4, 2007, 7:16 pm
wrote:

>I used to do furnace checks and was told to sell new furnace installs at
>any cost short of being fraudulent. The heat exchanger in you furnace is
>welded steel and is not known to crack or develop leaks at the welded
>seams. However at 20 years in service I would consider an upgrade if it is
>your budget to afford it. If it is affordable you would benefit from an
>increased efficiency in a high SEER rated furnace.

        Furnaces don't have SEER ratings.

        How sure ARE you you 'used to do furnace checks' ??


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Posted by Meat Plow on October 4, 2007, 7:58 pm
On Thu, 04 Oct 2007 19:16:44 -0400, wrote:

> wrote:
>
>>I used to do furnace checks and was told to sell new furnace installs at
>>any cost short of being fraudulent. The heat exchanger in you furnace is
>>welded steel and is not known to crack or develop leaks at the welded
>>seams. However at 20 years in service I would consider an upgrade if it is
>>your budget to afford it. If it is affordable you would benefit from an
>>increased efficiency in a high SEER rated furnace.
>
>         Furnaces don't have SEER ratings.

Efficiency rating, sorry

>         How sure ARE you you 'used to do furnace checks' ??

Not sure at all.



Posted by on October 4, 2007, 9:22 pm

> wrote:
>
> >I used to do furnace checks and was told to sell new furnace installs at
> >any cost short of being fraudulent. The heat exchanger in you furnace is
> >welded steel and is not known to crack or develop leaks at the welded
> >seams. However at 20 years in service I would consider an upgrade if it
is
> >your budget to afford it. If it is affordable you would benefit from an
> >increased efficiency in a high SEER rated furnace.
>
> Furnaces don't have SEER ratings.
>
> How sure ARE you you 'used to do furnace checks' ??


Meat Plow qualifies to be Stormy's assistant.
He spews his crap at home/repair all the time.



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