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do I need a condensate pump? jack 12-03-2008
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Posted by jack on December 3, 2008, 6:44 pm

>>My house is 24 years old; I have lived here 16 years. The furnace is a 95%
>>about 5 years old. There is an A/C also. The humidifier also drains to it.
>>Two years ago there was water on the floor next to my furnace. The repair
>>man said that the condensate drain was clogged; he blew it open with
>>compressed air.
>>This year the man cleaning my furnace said the drain was slow and he blew
>>the drain open. He said it was likely to clog and recommended I install a
>>condensate pump.
>>The condensate drain goes into the floor. There is a bathroom with a drain
>>in the concrete floor on the opposite side of the wall from the condensate
>>drain. I presume the condensate drain plumbs into the bathroom drain, but
>>I
>>don't know that; it could just go into the space beneath the floor.
>>I asked the guy why it was clogging, but he didn't know. I asked him if
>>draino would be worthwhile; he said it couldn't hurt.
>>So, my questions...
>>1) Why would the drain be clogging after being fine for 20 years? In fact,
>>why would it clog at all? Isn't condensate just water?
>>2) A fitting inside the furnace has clogged twice also; the guy says they
>>designed it too small and it is subject to clogging if not cleaned
>>regularly. Clogged with what?
>>2) Would draino be a good try? (In the drain, not the furnace!)
>>3) Wouldn't a condensate pump be just as likely to clog as a condensate
>>drain?
> Jack,
> A condensate pump is nice.......................if you need it. In
> reality, it is another device that will eventually clog, leak or
> break. On condensing furnaces, I flush them out with hot water on
> every winter check up. Usually about two gallons right through the
> secondary and the condensate trap. They do get clogged with shit. Flue
> by products and condensate create crud, plain and simple. It has to be
> flushed. Your under floor drain is the same way. Put a tee with a
> short pipe and cap somewhere in the condensate line (NOT in the
> furnace). Every month pull the cap off, insert a funnel and dump a
> gallon or so of hot water through it flushing all of your condensate
> lines all the way to where it exits under the floor or at the floor
> drain? After that, pour a few ounces of bleach through it. (Again, NOT
> through the furnace condensate passages). Very little work for a clean
> running drain. Remember, dark and damp (as inside a drain) are great
> conditions for growing slime, mold and collecting crud. Flush it,
> Flush it, Flush it.
> Bubba
> Bubba

That is how I felt; adding a mechanical device when gravity will do can't be
right.

Actually the drain is already open. The drain line goes up vertically; the
furnace and humidifier go down and then horizontally to Ts on the drain
line. The drain line is open at the top, so I can just pour the hot water
in there. Unless it is completely clogged (which I know about because the
furnace stops) it will not affect the furnace.



Posted by Stormin Mormon on December 3, 2008, 7:25 pm
The hot water and clorox should help. Have at it.

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Put a tee with a
> short pipe and cap somewhere in the condensate line (NOT in the
> furnace). Every month pull the cap off, insert a funnel and dump a
> gallon or so of hot water through it flushing all of your condensate
> lines all the way to where it exits under the floor or at the floor
> drain? After that, pour a few ounces of bleach through it. (Again, NOT
> through the furnace condensate passages). Very little work for a clean
> running drain. Remember, dark and damp (as inside a drain) are great
> conditions for growing slime, mold and collecting crud. Flush it,
> Flush it, Flush it.
> Bubba
> Bubba

That is how I felt; adding a mechanical device when gravity will do can't be
right.

Actually the drain is already open. The drain line goes up vertically; the
furnace and humidifier go down and then horizontally to Ts on the drain
line. The drain line is open at the top, so I can just pour the hot water
in there. Unless it is completely clogged (which I know about because the
furnace stops) it will not affect the furnace.




Posted by on December 3, 2008, 7:08 pm
wrote:

>>My house is 24 years old; I have lived here 16 years. The furnace is a 95%
>>about 5 years old. There is an A/C also. The humidifier also drains to it.
>>Two years ago there was water on the floor next to my furnace. The repair
>>man said that the condensate drain was clogged; he blew it open with
>>compressed air.
>>This year the man cleaning my furnace said the drain was slow and he blew
>>the drain open. He said it was likely to clog and recommended I install a
>>condensate pump.
>>The condensate drain goes into the floor. There is a bathroom with a drain
>>in the concrete floor on the opposite side of the wall from the condensate
>>drain. I presume the condensate drain plumbs into the bathroom drain, but I
>>don't know that; it could just go into the space beneath the floor.
>>I asked the guy why it was clogging, but he didn't know. I asked him if
>>draino would be worthwhile; he said it couldn't hurt.
>>So, my questions...
>>1) Why would the drain be clogging after being fine for 20 years? In fact,
>>why would it clog at all? Isn't condensate just water?
>>2) A fitting inside the furnace has clogged twice also; the guy says they
>>designed it too small and it is subject to clogging if not cleaned
>>regularly. Clogged with what?
>>2) Would draino be a good try? (In the drain, not the furnace!)
>>3) Wouldn't a condensate pump be just as likely to clog as a condensate
>>drain?
>Jack,
>A condensate pump is nice.......................if you need it. In
>reality, it is another device that will eventually clog, leak or
>break. On condensing furnaces, I flush them out with hot water on
>every winter check up. Usually about two gallons right through the
>secondary and the condensate trap. They do get clogged with shit. Flue
>by products and condensate create crud, plain and simple. It has to be
>flushed. Your under floor drain is the same way. Put a tee with a
>short pipe and cap somewhere in the condensate line (NOT in the
>furnace). Every month pull the cap off, insert a funnel and dump a
>gallon or so of hot water through it flushing all of your condensate
>lines all the way to where it exits under the floor or at the floor
>drain? After that, pour a few ounces of bleach through it. (Again, NOT
>through the furnace condensate passages). Very little work for a clean
>running drain. Remember, dark and damp (as inside a drain) are great
>conditions for growing slime, mold and collecting crud. Flush it,
>Flush it, Flush it.
>Bubba
>Bubba

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Posted by KJPRO on December 6, 2008, 5:13 am

> My house is 24 years old; I have lived here 16 years. The furnace is a 95%
> about 5 years old. There is an A/C also. The humidifier also drains to it.
> Two years ago there was water on the floor next to my furnace. The repair
> man said that the condensate drain was clogged; he blew it open with
> compressed air.
> This year the man cleaning my furnace said the drain was slow and he blew
> the drain open. He said it was likely to clog and recommended I install a
> condensate pump.
> The condensate drain goes into the floor. There is a bathroom with a drain
> in the concrete floor on the opposite side of the wall from the condensate
> drain. I presume the condensate drain plumbs into the bathroom drain, but
> I don't know that; it could just go into the space beneath the floor.
> I asked the guy why it was clogging, but he didn't know. I asked him if
> draino would be worthwhile; he said it couldn't hurt.
> So, my questions...
> 1) Why would the drain be clogging after being fine for 20 years? In fact,
> why would it clog at all? Isn't condensate just water?

It's not just water...

> 2) A fitting inside the furnace has clogged twice also; the guy says they
> designed it too small and it is subject to clogging if not cleaned
> regularly. Clogged with what?

BS, it's clogged with all sorts of shit...

> 2) Would draino be a good try? (In the drain, not the furnace!)
> 3) Wouldn't a condensate pump be just as likely to clog as a condensate
> drain?

No



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