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furnace question for HVAC guru's.... coylerj 08-18-2006
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Posted by Bob Pietrangelo on August 22, 2006, 9:18 pm

> Why 3k, the furnace costs about $1000, materials maybe $200 so you make
> $1300 for less than a days work. I just had one done for approx $2400 (not
> Goodman) including a 10 year warranty. Easy access (bsmt) and 2 x 20' 2"
> PVC. He said he normally charges $2900 but business was slow in the
> summer.


Roy, I get about 4K to install a variable speed 90, and 3.3K for a 80% vs
furnace. I provide for 7 families including my own, with a good living
wage, all benefits, 1-2 weeks vaca, outings and parties, bonus', etc. I
also cover my overhead which is about $360K per year. My payroll is 7k per
week.

1300 X 5 = 6500 doesn't even cover my payroll, much less my overhead, and
hell, who needs a profit.

But, hell you are one cheap son of a bitch to want to deny my workers enough
money to feed their families and go on a vacation once a year.

I hope your guy has a good retirement plan, and has someone picked out to
pick up where he left off. And.......what kind of idiot doesn't install AC
in the summer.



Posted by Jake on August 22, 2006, 10:01 pm
> And.......what kind of idiot doesn't install AC
> in the summer.
>
>

Bob... it's the 'Wal-Mart' mentality... I believe.

But my comment was this: A guy that doesn't install AC in the summer is
most likely someone who doesn't know how....

... and if he hasn't taken the time and effort to do that.. then I
certainly wouldn't want him installing gas appliances in my home.

But that's just me...

Jake

Posted by on August 22, 2006, 10:37 pm
"Bob Pietrangelo" wrote:


> And.......what kind of idiot doesn't install AC
>in the summer.

A very special kind, lol.

In Ca, a licensed Plumber (C-36) is allowed to do heating work, as
back when the license laws were created, hydronic heating played a
large part. Today, many licensed plumbing companies also do ac
(illegally, unless they also carry a C-20 HVAC license). So its not
uncommon to see drain cleaning companies also doing hvac work....

Posted by Roy on August 23, 2006, 2:20 am

>> Why 3k, the furnace costs about $1000, materials maybe $200 so you make
>> $1300 for less than a days work. I just had one done for approx $2400
>> (not Goodman) including a 10 year warranty. Easy access (bsmt) and 2 x
>> 20' 2" PVC. He said he normally charges $2900 but business was slow in
>> the summer.
> Roy, I get about 4K to install a variable speed 90, and 3.3K for a 80% vs
> furnace. I provide for 7 families including my own, with a good living
> wage, all benefits, 1-2 weeks vaca, outings and parties, bonus', etc. I
> also cover my overhead which is about $360K per year. My payroll is 7k
> per week.
> 1300 X 5 = 6500 doesn't even cover my payroll, much less my overhead, and
> hell, who needs a profit.
> But, hell you are one cheap son of a bitch to want to deny my workers
> enough money to feed their families and go on a vacation once a year.


And what do you deny your customers by charging them $300/hr when they
probably make less than $25/hr?

> I hope your guy has a good retirement plan, and has someone picked out to
> pick up where he left off. And.......what kind of idiot doesn't install
> AC in the summer.

This is a one-man shop, Overhead is about nil, If he installs 3 furnaces a
month he is making a living wage. Add a few service calls and he's doing
very well. Not bad for maybe 5 days work a month.

The kind of idiot who doesn't install AC is one who lives in an area where
maybe 1 out of 1000 homes uses AC or HP's.



Posted by tech on August 23, 2006, 2:31 am

> >> Why 3k, the furnace costs about $1000, materials maybe $200 so you make
> >> $1300 for less than a days work. I just had one done for approx $2400
> >> (not Goodman) including a 10 year warranty. Easy access (bsmt) and 2 x
> >> 20' 2" PVC. He said he normally charges $2900 but business was slow in
> >> the summer.
> > Roy, I get about 4K to install a variable speed 90, and 3.3K for a 80%
vs
> > furnace. I provide for 7 families including my own, with a good living
> > wage, all benefits, 1-2 weeks vaca, outings and parties, bonus', etc. I
> > also cover my overhead which is about $360K per year. My payroll is 7k
> > per week.
> > 1300 X 5 = 6500 doesn't even cover my payroll, much less my overhead,
and
> > hell, who needs a profit.
> > But, hell you are one cheap son of a bitch to want to deny my workers
> > enough money to feed their families and go on a vacation once a year.
> And what do you deny your customers by charging them $300/hr when they
> probably make less than $25/hr?
> > I hope your guy has a good retirement plan, and has someone picked out
to
> > pick up where he left off. And.......what kind of idiot doesn't install
> > AC in the summer.
> This is a one-man shop, Overhead is about nil, If he installs 3 furnaces a
> month he is making a living wage. Add a few service calls and he's doing
> very well. Not bad for maybe 5 days work a month.

If that's true, he's charging to much for his services or he isn't running a
shop with insurance and the required tools to operate a legit business!



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