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geothermal water-water heat exchanger Franz Fripplfrappl 02-25-2007
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Posted by Tony on February 25, 2007, 2:48 pm
Franz you should investigate little more before you commit your
self to that project, I am not in that type of business and I do not
know you location however your expanse vs. benefits may be
some what small and perhaps negative, if you are going to use
this for heating as you say water coming out of ground will be
still cold and you will need to add heat to it so your expense
may out weigh the benefits.



>I would like to install an open loop geothermal system where I use
> domestic well water run through a heat exchanger before discharging into a
> small "turtle" pond.
>
> I need recommendations for the heat exchange unit (water to water) and a
> source for purchase.
>
> The building is essentially an insulated pole shed with 2x6 construction,
> fiberglass batts for insulation, new Pella Energy Star windows and doors.
>
> I will be installing radiant floor heat.
>
> What I'd like to do is use the well water, run it through the exchanger
> which in turn would transfer the water to the hyrdonic floor system.
>
> It would be a plus to be able to heat domestic water as well. Right now
> I have a 40-gal electric water heater.
>
> Thanks.



Posted by Bob Pietrangelo on February 25, 2007, 5:24 pm

> Franz you should investigate little more before you commit your
> self to that project, I am not in that type of business and I do not
> know you location however your expanse vs. benefits may be
> some what small and perhaps negative, if you are going to use
> this for heating as you say water coming out of ground will be
> still cold and you will need to add heat to it so your expense
> may out weigh the benefits.

DIDO,
the fluid is only used as a heat transfer fluid for the heat pump. You
don't actually use the loop water as the radiant loop fluid. In using it
for DHW, you will need to use an additional source to heat the water in
addition to the Desuperheater, especially in the winter.

The benefit to using the desuperheater is that it is free heat. You can
temper your potable water so that you are now only raising the temp 30 or 40
degrees rather than 80-100 degrees, depending on the time of year.

The hottest you are going to get your water is about 110 degrees, great for
radiant floor heat not so great for a shower.

Most Geo manufacturers make a Water to Water unit. You should first check
with your municipality will allow you to use an open loop. You should then
get your groundwater checked for compatability with the GEO unit. It is
more efficient to use the groundwater over a closed loop, but coil
maintenance will be more expensive.

In addition to having a borehole drilled you still have to have a well pump
and associated tanks and pumps inside.
>
>
>
>>I would like to install an open loop geothermal system where I use
>> domestic well water run through a heat exchanger before discharging into
>> a
>> small "turtle" pond.
>>
>> I need recommendations for the heat exchange unit (water to water) and a
>> source for purchase.
>>
>> The building is essentially an insulated pole shed with 2x6 construction,
>> fiberglass batts for insulation, new Pella Energy Star windows and doors.
>>
>> I will be installing radiant floor heat.
>>
>> What I'd like to do is use the well water, run it through the exchanger
>> which in turn would transfer the water to the hyrdonic floor system.
>>
>> It would be a plus to be able to heat domestic water as well. Right now
>> I have a 40-gal electric water heater.
>>
>> Thanks.
>
>



Posted by Tony on February 26, 2007, 2:46 pm

>
>> Franz you should investigate little more before you commit your
>> self to that project, I am not in that type of business and I do not
>> know you location however your expanse vs. benefits may be
>> some what small and perhaps negative, if you are going to use
>> this for heating as you say water coming out of ground will be
>> still cold and you will need to add heat to it so your expense
>> may out weigh the benefits.
>
> DIDO,
> the fluid is only used as a heat transfer fluid for the heat pump. You
> don't actually use the loop water as the radiant loop fluid. In using it
> for DHW, you will need to use an additional source to heat the water in
> addition to the Desuperheater, especially in the winter.
>
> The benefit to using the desuperheater is that it is free heat. You can
> temper your potable water so that you are now only raising the temp 30 or
> 40 degrees rather than 80-100 degrees, depending on the time of year.
>
> The hottest you are going to get your water is about 110 degrees, great
> for radiant floor heat not so great for a shower.
>
> Most Geo manufacturers make a Water to Water unit. You should first check
> with your municipality will allow you to use an open loop. You should
> then get your groundwater checked for compatability with the GEO unit. It
> is more efficient to use the groundwater over a closed loop, but coil
> maintenance will be more expensive.
>
> In addition to having a borehole drilled you still have to have a well
> pump and associated tanks and pumps inside.
>>
>>
>>
>>>I would like to install an open loop geothermal system where I use
>>> domestic well water run through a heat exchanger before discharging into
>>> a
>>> small "turtle" pond.
>>>
>>> I need recommendations for the heat exchange unit (water to water) and a
>>> source for purchase.
>>>
>>> The building is essentially an insulated pole shed with 2x6
>>> construction,
>>> fiberglass batts for insulation, new Pella Energy Star windows and
>>> doors.
>>>
>>> I will be installing radiant floor heat.
>>>
>>> What I'd like to do is use the well water, run it through the exchanger
>>> which in turn would transfer the water to the hyrdonic floor system.
>>>
>>> It would be a plus to be able to heat domestic water as well. Right now
>>> I have a 40-gal electric water heater.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>

Bob understood



Posted by Oscar_Lives on February 25, 2007, 7:04 pm

>I would like to install an open loop geothermal system where I use
> domestic well water run through a heat exchanger before discharging into a
> small "turtle" pond.
>
> I need recommendations for the heat exchange unit (water to water) and a
> source for purchase.
>
> The building is essentially an insulated pole shed with 2x6 construction,
> fiberglass batts for insulation, new Pella Energy Star windows and doors.
>
> I will be installing radiant floor heat.
>
> What I'd like to do is use the well water, run it through the exchanger
> which in turn would transfer the water to the hyrdonic floor system.
>
> It would be a plus to be able to heat domestic water as well. Right now
> I have a 40-gal electric water heater.
>
> Thanks.

Sounds great!

You're welcome.



Posted by Tony on February 27, 2007, 3:35 pm
Franz where are you located Germany or Austria
Tony

>I would like to install an open loop geothermal system where I use
> domestic well water run through a heat exchanger before discharging into a
> small "turtle" pond.
>
> I need recommendations for the heat exchange unit (water to water) and a
> source for purchase.
>
> The building is essentially an insulated pole shed with 2x6 construction,
> fiberglass batts for insulation, new Pella Energy Star windows and doors.
>
> I will be installing radiant floor heat.
>
> What I'd like to do is use the well water, run it through the exchanger
> which in turn would transfer the water to the hyrdonic floor system.
>
> It would be a plus to be able to heat domestic water as well. Right now
> I have a 40-gal electric water heater.
>
> Thanks.



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