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heat pump thermostat question ONJ 12-03-2007
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Posted by Simon Schnizzard on December 4, 2007, 2:04 am

>
> >>
> >>>I bought a house that has a newly installed Trane air heat pump and an
> >>>electric furnace emergency backup.
> >>>
> >>> As far as I'm concerned I don't want the HVAC company that installed
it
> >>> to look at it as they want to charge me for an incompetent setup.
> >>>
> >>> The way its set up is the heat pump runs whenever the stat is calling
for
> >>> heat...even down below temps in the teens and colder when the heat
pump
> >>> is obviously useless...it still runs along with the electric furnace.
> >>> This is a horrible waste of electricity and I figure is costing me
about
> >>> 30% more on my electric bill when the outside temp is that cold.
> >>>
> >>> Anyone know of a thermostat that I can install that is inexpensive as
> >>> possible that will lock the heat pump out when the electric furnace
kicks
> >>> on? Or one that I can install an outside sensor and the heat pump
kicks
> >>> off at a certain temp and tells the backup to run?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks
> >>
> >> You got 3 choices... you can call the installer to come out and correct
> >> any problems, or you can call a competent, licensed HVAC tech to come
out
> >> and correct any problems, or you can live with it.
> >
> >Or I can get a proper thermostat and outdoor sensor and do it myself.
Its
> >not that hard, just didn't know which thermostat to use or what is
> >available.
> >
> >dont HVAC techs just hate it when normal people can do what they can do?
> >Must really suck.
> >
>
> Clueless sum-biatch, aint cha.
> As Noon said, read the performance charts you clueless ass-wipe.
> Bubba

Actually I doubt Noon has ever had to actually understand and apply heat
pump heating performance charts.

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Posted by ONJ on December 4, 2007, 12:15 pm
>
>>
>> >>
>> >>>I bought a house that has a newly installed Trane air heat pump and an
>> >>>electric furnace emergency backup.
>> >>>
>> >>> As far as I'm concerned I don't want the HVAC company that installed
> it
>> >>> to look at it as they want to charge me for an incompetent setup.
>> >>>
>> >>> The way its set up is the heat pump runs whenever the stat is calling
> for
>> >>> heat...even down below temps in the teens and colder when the heat
> pump
>> >>> is obviously useless...it still runs along with the electric furnace.
>> >>> This is a horrible waste of electricity and I figure is costing me
> about
>> >>> 30% more on my electric bill when the outside temp is that cold.
>> >>>
>> >>> Anyone know of a thermostat that I can install that is inexpensive as
>> >>> possible that will lock the heat pump out when the electric furnace
> kicks
>> >>> on? Or one that I can install an outside sensor and the heat pump
> kicks
>> >>> off at a certain temp and tells the backup to run?
>> >>>
>> >>> Thanks
>> >>
>> >> You got 3 choices... you can call the installer to come out and
>> >> correct
>> >> any problems, or you can call a competent, licensed HVAC tech to come
> out
>> >> and correct any problems, or you can live with it.
>> >
>> >Or I can get a proper thermostat and outdoor sensor and do it myself.
> Its
>> >not that hard, just didn't know which thermostat to use or what is
>> >available.
>> >
>> >dont HVAC techs just hate it when normal people can do what they can do?
>> >Must really suck.
>> >
>>
>> Clueless sum-biatch, aint cha.
>> As Noon said, read the performance charts you clueless ass-wipe.
>> Bubba
>
> Actually I doubt Noon has ever had to actually understand and apply heat
> pump heating performance charts.

Not only that, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that heat
pump performance charts don't mean a thing if the heat pump is no longer
able to bring the indoor temperature up to satisfy the thermostat.

So if a heat pump is running and instead of the indoor temp going up...it
goes down...its a waste of electricity for it to run from that point on.
Its called common sense which a few of the so-called HVAC techs seem to
lack.

Mind you, I'm not talking about the credible techs with real
knowledge...just a few hacks that have no business being in the
business...like p.jm, Bubba and Noon-Air



Posted by on December 4, 2007, 12:36 pm
OK, this moron is my nomination for this year's 'Asshole of the Year'
group award.



>>
>>>
>>> >>
>>> >>>I bought a house that has a newly installed Trane air heat pump and an
>>> >>>electric furnace emergency backup.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> As far as I'm concerned I don't want the HVAC company that installed
>> it
>>> >>> to look at it as they want to charge me for an incompetent setup.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> The way its set up is the heat pump runs whenever the stat is calling
>> for
>>> >>> heat...even down below temps in the teens and colder when the heat
>> pump
>>> >>> is obviously useless...it still runs along with the electric furnace.
>>> >>> This is a horrible waste of electricity and I figure is costing me
>> about
>>> >>> 30% more on my electric bill when the outside temp is that cold.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Anyone know of a thermostat that I can install that is inexpensive as
>>> >>> possible that will lock the heat pump out when the electric furnace
>> kicks
>>> >>> on? Or one that I can install an outside sensor and the heat pump
>> kicks
>>> >>> off at a certain temp and tells the backup to run?
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Thanks
>>> >>
>>> >> You got 3 choices... you can call the installer to come out and
>>> >> correct
>>> >> any problems, or you can call a competent, licensed HVAC tech to come
>> out
>>> >> and correct any problems, or you can live with it.
>>> >
>>> >Or I can get a proper thermostat and outdoor sensor and do it myself.
>> Its
>>> >not that hard, just didn't know which thermostat to use or what is
>>> >available.
>>> >
>>> >dont HVAC techs just hate it when normal people can do what they can do?
>>> >Must really suck.
>>> >
>>>
>>> Clueless sum-biatch, aint cha.
>>> As Noon said, read the performance charts you clueless ass-wipe.
>>> Bubba
>>
>> Actually I doubt Noon has ever had to actually understand and apply heat
>> pump heating performance charts.
>
>Not only that, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that heat
>pump performance charts don't mean a thing if the heat pump is no longer
>able to bring the indoor temperature up to satisfy the thermostat.
>
>So if a heat pump is running and instead of the indoor temp going up...it
>goes down...its a waste of electricity for it to run from that point on.
>Its called common sense which a few of the so-called HVAC techs seem to
>lack.
>
>Mind you, I'm not talking about the credible techs with real
>knowledge...just a few hacks that have no business being in the
>business...like p.jm, Bubba and Noon-Air
>

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Posted by Bubba on December 4, 2007, 5:20 pm
On Tue, 04 Dec 2007 12:36:31 -0500, .p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com
wrote:

>OK, this moron is my nomination for this year's 'Asshole of the Year'
>group award.
>
It pains me but Im going to have to agree with YOU. :-)
Bubba

>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>>I bought a house that has a newly installed Trane air heat pump and an
>>>> >>>electric furnace emergency backup.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> As far as I'm concerned I don't want the HVAC company that installed
>>> it
>>>> >>> to look at it as they want to charge me for an incompetent setup.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> The way its set up is the heat pump runs whenever the stat is calling
>>> for
>>>> >>> heat...even down below temps in the teens and colder when the heat
>>> pump
>>>> >>> is obviously useless...it still runs along with the electric furnace.
>>>> >>> This is a horrible waste of electricity and I figure is costing me
>>> about
>>>> >>> 30% more on my electric bill when the outside temp is that cold.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Anyone know of a thermostat that I can install that is inexpensive as
>>>> >>> possible that will lock the heat pump out when the electric furnace
>>> kicks
>>>> >>> on? Or one that I can install an outside sensor and the heat pump
>>> kicks
>>>> >>> off at a certain temp and tells the backup to run?
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Thanks
>>>> >>
>>>> >> You got 3 choices... you can call the installer to come out and
>>>> >> correct
>>>> >> any problems, or you can call a competent, licensed HVAC tech to come
>>> out
>>>> >> and correct any problems, or you can live with it.
>>>> >
>>>> >Or I can get a proper thermostat and outdoor sensor and do it myself.
>>> Its
>>>> >not that hard, just didn't know which thermostat to use or what is
>>>> >available.
>>>> >
>>>> >dont HVAC techs just hate it when normal people can do what they can do?
>>>> >Must really suck.
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> Clueless sum-biatch, aint cha.
>>>> As Noon said, read the performance charts you clueless ass-wipe.
>>>> Bubba
>>>
>>> Actually I doubt Noon has ever had to actually understand and apply heat
>>> pump heating performance charts.
>>
>>Not only that, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that heat
>>pump performance charts don't mean a thing if the heat pump is no longer
>>able to bring the indoor temperature up to satisfy the thermostat.
>>
>>So if a heat pump is running and instead of the indoor temp going up...it
>>goes down...its a waste of electricity for it to run from that point on.
>>Its called common sense which a few of the so-called HVAC techs seem to
>>lack.
>>
>>Mind you, I'm not talking about the credible techs with real
>>knowledge...just a few hacks that have no business being in the
>>business...like p.jm, Bubba and Noon-Air
>>

Posted by Zyp on December 6, 2007, 2:14 am
.p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com wrote:
> OK, this moron is my nomination for this year's 'Asshole of the Year'
> group award.
>
>
>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I bought a house that has a newly installed Trane air heat pump
>>>>>>> and an electric furnace emergency backup.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As far as I'm concerned I don't want the HVAC company that
>>>>>>> installed it to look at it as they want to charge me for an
>>>>>>> incompetent setup.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The way its set up is the heat pump runs whenever the stat is
>>>>>>> calling for heat...even down below temps in the teens and
>>>>>>> colder when the heat pump is obviously useless...it still runs
>>>>>>> along with the electric furnace. This is a horrible waste of
>>>>>>> electricity and I figure is costing me about 30% more on my
>>>>>>> electric bill when the outside temp is that cold.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyone know of a thermostat that I can install that is
>>>>>>> inexpensive as possible that will lock the heat pump out when
>>>>>>> the electric furnace kicks on? Or one that I can install an
>>>>>>> outside sensor and the heat pump kicks off at a certain temp
>>>>>>> and tells the backup to run?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You got 3 choices... you can call the installer to come out and
>>>>>> correct
>>>>>> any problems, or you can call a competent, licensed HVAC tech to
>>>>>> come out and correct any problems, or you can live with it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Or I can get a proper thermostat and outdoor sensor and do it
>>>>> myself. Its not that hard, just didn't know which thermostat to
>>>>> use or what is available.
>>>>>
>>>>> dont HVAC techs just hate it when normal people can do what they
>>>>> can do? Must really suck.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Clueless sum-biatch, aint cha.
>>>> As Noon said, read the performance charts you clueless ass-wipe.
>>>> Bubba
>>>
>>> Actually I doubt Noon has ever had to actually understand and apply
>>> heat pump heating performance charts.
>>
>> Not only that, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that
>> heat pump performance charts don't mean a thing if the heat pump is
>> no longer able to bring the indoor temperature up to satisfy the
>> thermostat.
>>
>> So if a heat pump is running and instead of the indoor temp going
>> up...it goes down...its a waste of electricity for it to run from
>> that point on. Its called common sense which a few of the so-called
>> HVAC techs seem to lack.
>>
>> Mind you, I'm not talking about the credible techs with real
>> knowledge...just a few hacks that have no business being in the
>> business...like p.jm, Bubba and Noon-Air
>>
>
> --
> Click here every day to feed an animal that needs you today !!!
> http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/
>
> Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me
> 'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.'
> 'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.'
> HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's
> Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/

You nailed it Babba. If they don't like what's said, they'll argue rather
than just going some place else.

--
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