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how contractors really size aircon nicksanspam 10-05-2007
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Posted by on October 5, 2007, 1:00 pm
I like the "front door rule" :-)

http://www.fsec.ucf.edu/en/publications/html/FSEC-PF-289-95/index.htm

Nick


Posted by Ashton Crusher on October 6, 2007, 2:59 am
On 5 Oct 2007 13:00:28 -0400, nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu wrote:

>I like the "front door rule" :-)
>
>http://www.fsec.ucf.edu/en/publications/html/FSEC-PF-289-95/index.htm
>
>Nick

One of the most telling bits of info is the "reasons for oversizing".
The most common reason is because the customer requested it. That
suggests to me that in the real world the Manual J and other "correct"
ways of sizing are too often giving undersized results and the
customers have learned from past experience that they need a bigger
unit then the "experts" tell them they need. Almost every place I've
lived in has had undersized cooling.

Posted by Noon-Air on October 6, 2007, 8:49 am

> On 5 Oct 2007 13:00:28 -0400, nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu wrote:
>
>>I like the "front door rule" :-)
>>
>>http://www.fsec.ucf.edu/en/publications/html/FSEC-PF-289-95/index.htm
>>
>>Nick
>
> One of the most telling bits of info is the "reasons for oversizing".
> The most common reason is because the customer requested it.

This is done strictly out of ignorance.

> That
> suggests to me that in the real world the Manual J and other "correct"
> ways of sizing are too often giving undersized results and the
> customers have learned from past experience that they need a bigger
> unit then the "experts" tell them they need.

This is only because the customer is trying to get the system to do things
that its not designed for

> Almost every place I've
> lived in has had undersized cooling.

Probably not.....a correctly sized system is designed to *MAINTAIN* the
average comfort levels at the design conditions....not bring the temp in a
100 degree home down to 70 degrees in 30 minutes. Its not gonna happen.



Posted by CJT on October 15, 2007, 10:25 pm
Noon-Air wrote:

>
>>On 5 Oct 2007 13:00:28 -0400, nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I like the "front door rule" :-)
>>>
>>>http://www.fsec.ucf.edu/en/publications/html/FSEC-PF-289-95/index.htm
>>>
>>>Nick
>>
>>One of the most telling bits of info is the "reasons for oversizing".
>>The most common reason is because the customer requested it.
>
>
> This is done strictly out of ignorance.
>
>
>>That
>>suggests to me that in the real world the Manual J and other "correct"
>>ways of sizing are too often giving undersized results and the
>>customers have learned from past experience that they need a bigger
>>unit then the "experts" tell them they need.
>
>
> This is only because the customer is trying to get the system to do things
> that its not designed for
>

That's the customer's choice to make. Who are you to say what he should
be able to call upon it to do? He's the one paying.

>
>>Almost every place I've
>>lived in has had undersized cooling.
>
>
> Probably not.....a correctly sized system is designed to *MAINTAIN* the
> average comfort levels at the design conditions....not bring the temp in a
> 100 degree home down to 70 degrees in 30 minutes. Its not gonna happen.
>

If that's what the customer wants, and he's willing to pay for it, and
it's not illegal, then who made YOU king?

>


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Posted by on October 18, 2007, 2:19 am

> Noon-Air wrote:
>
> >
> >>On 5 Oct 2007 13:00:28 -0400, nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>I like the "front door rule" :-)
> >>>
> >>>http://www.fsec.ucf.edu/en/publications/html/FSEC-PF-289-95/index.htm
> >>>
> >>>Nick
> >>
> >>One of the most telling bits of info is the "reasons for oversizing".
> >>The most common reason is because the customer requested it.
> >
> >
> > This is done strictly out of ignorance.
> >
> >
> >>That
> >>suggests to me that in the real world the Manual J and other "correct"
> >>ways of sizing are too often giving undersized results and the
> >>customers have learned from past experience that they need a bigger
> >>unit then the "experts" tell them they need.
> >
> >
> > This is only because the customer is trying to get the system to do
things
> > that its not designed for
> >
>
> That's the customer's choice to make. Who are you to say what he should
> be able to call upon it to do? He's the one paying.
>
> >
> >>Almost every place I've
> >>lived in has had undersized cooling.
> >
> >
> > Probably not.....a correctly sized system is designed to *MAINTAIN* the
> > average comfort levels at the design conditions....not bring the temp in
a
> > 100 degree home down to 70 degrees in 30 minutes. Its not gonna happen.
> >
>
> If that's what the customer wants, and he's willing to pay for it, and
> it's not illegal, then who made YOU king?


CJT if you had a clue, you would know it's not expected from a system that's
correctly sized.



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