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not sure what's wrong richard_ln 05-14-2008
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Posted by on May 15, 2008, 12:15 pm
On May 15, 10:49=A0am, .p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com wrote:
> >richard...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >> Most of my work has been new construction and very little service tech
> >> so forgive me if this is too simple. =A0My ex-wife called me a few days=

> >> ago and said her heat pump wasn't cooling. =A0She said someone replaced=

> >> the compressor, which made it much better, but it's still not cooling
> >> like it should. =A0So I thought that unless I want to give her even mor=
e
> >> of my hard earned money, I better load up the truck and head over.
>
> >> Here's what I found. =A0It's a 3 ton 10 seer HEIL split system heat pum=
p
> >> with a TXV. =A0New copeland recip compressor and new dual cap. =A0Coils=

> >> are clean, filter is clean. =A0I put the guages on and that's when I go=
t
> >> a little confused.
>
> >> outside air temp - 81
> >> inside air temp =3D 78
> >> Outdoor humidity: ~70%
>
> >> Suc Pressure - 64
> >> Suc temp - 80
>
> >> Liq Pressure - 200
> >> Liq temp - 87
>
> >> Condenser TD - 13
> >> Evaporator TD - 14
>
> >> My handy Trane charging chart shows it being slightly overcharged....
> >> but shouldn't be enough to give me such a low TD across the evap.
> >> Rather than just start fiddling with the charge I thought I might want
> >> to actually try to figure out what's wrong with it.
>
> >> The only other thing out of the ordinary is the condenser fan was
> >> replaced with one that's 75 rpm faster. =A0It calls for a 1075 rpm and
> >> has a 1150. =A0In my brief experience I believe that won't have a big
> >> effect.
>
> >> any ideas?
>
> >I'm thinking your TXV isn't opening enough to fill the coil completely wi=
th
> >refrigerant, hence a low TD across the evaporator with a high superheat..=
..
> >[low performance.]
>
> >All other signs seem normal, except that since the evaporator isn't getti=
ng
> >enough refrigerant, I'd see a low head pressure because the system isn't
> >picking up enough heat......
>
> >Thinking about Noon-air's recommendation, I'd likely go his route but
> >install a new TXV while I'm there cleaning / checking the screen before t=
he
> >valve.
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Check that the bulb is properly mounted and insulated.
>
> --
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>
> Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me
> 'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.'
> 'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.'
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> - Show quoted text -


That brings up a good question. Some of the guys I work with insist
on mounting it on a horizontal line, offset 45 degrees, and downstream
of the pressure tap.... unless the manufacturer specifies otherwise.
Others mount it vertically upstream and say there's no difference. I
side with the first group. I cleaned and re-insulated/taped the bulb.

comments?



Posted by KJPRO on May 15, 2008, 1:33 pm

On May 15, 10:49 am, .p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com wrote:
> >richard...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >> Most of my work has been new construction and very little service tech
> >> so forgive me if this is too simple. My ex-wife called me a few days
> >> ago and said her heat pump wasn't cooling. She said someone replaced
> >> the compressor, which made it much better, but it's still not cooling
> >> like it should. So I thought that unless I want to give her even more
> >> of my hard earned money, I better load up the truck and head over.
>
> >> Here's what I found. It's a 3 ton 10 seer HEIL split system heat pump
> >> with a TXV. New copeland recip compressor and new dual cap. Coils
> >> are clean, filter is clean. I put the guages on and that's when I got
> >> a little confused.
>
> >> outside air temp - 81
> >> inside air temp = 78
> >> Outdoor humidity: ~70%
>
> >> Suc Pressure - 64
> >> Suc temp - 80
>
> >> Liq Pressure - 200
> >> Liq temp - 87
>
> >> Condenser TD - 13
> >> Evaporator TD - 14
>
> >> My handy Trane charging chart shows it being slightly overcharged....
> >> but shouldn't be enough to give me such a low TD across the evap.
> >> Rather than just start fiddling with the charge I thought I might want
> >> to actually try to figure out what's wrong with it.
>
> >> The only other thing out of the ordinary is the condenser fan was
> >> replaced with one that's 75 rpm faster. It calls for a 1075 rpm and
> >> has a 1150. In my brief experience I believe that won't have a big
> >> effect.
>
> >> any ideas?
>
> >I'm thinking your TXV isn't opening enough to fill the coil completely
> >with
> >refrigerant, hence a low TD across the evaporator with a high
> >superheat....
> >[low performance.]
>
> >All other signs seem normal, except that since the evaporator isn't
> >getting
> >enough refrigerant, I'd see a low head pressure because the system isn't
> >picking up enough heat......
>
> >Thinking about Noon-air's recommendation, I'd likely go his route but
> >install a new TXV while I'm there cleaning / checking the screen before
> >the
> >valve.
>
> Check that the bulb is properly mounted and insulated.
>
> --
> Click here every day to feed an animal that needs you today
> !!!www.theanimalrescuesite.com/
>
> Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me
> 'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.'
> 'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.'
> HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's
> Free demo online atwww.pmilligan.net/palm/
> Free 'People finder' program now atwww.pmilligan.net/finder.htm- Hide
> quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -


That brings up a good question. Some of the guys I work with insist
on mounting it on a horizontal line, offset 45 degrees, and downstream
of the pressure tap.... unless the manufacturer specifies otherwise.
Others mount it vertically upstream and say there's no difference. I
side with the first group. I cleaned and re-insulated/taped the bulb.

comments?



Yeah, Why didn't you answer my questions?




Posted by on May 15, 2008, 2:50 pm
>
> On May 15, 10:49 am, .p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > >richard...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > >> Most of my work has been new construction and very little service tec=
h
> > >> so forgive me if this is too simple. My ex-wife called me a few days
> > >> ago and said her heat pump wasn't cooling. She said someone replaced
> > >> the compressor, which made it much better, but it's still not cooling=

> > >> like it should. So I thought that unless I want to give her even more=

> > >> of my hard earned money, I better load up the truck and head over.
>
> > >> Here's what I found. It's a 3 ton 10 seer HEIL split system heat pump=

> > >> with a TXV. New copeland recip compressor and new dual cap. Coils
> > >> are clean, filter is clean. I put the guages on and that's when I got=

> > >> a little confused.
>
> > >> outside air temp - 81
> > >> inside air temp =3D 78
> > >> Outdoor humidity: ~70%
>
> > >> Suc Pressure - 64
> > >> Suc temp - 80
>
> > >> Liq Pressure - 200
> > >> Liq temp - 87
>
> > >> Condenser TD - 13
> > >> Evaporator TD - 14
>
> > >> My handy Trane charging chart shows it being slightly overcharged....=

> > >> but shouldn't be enough to give me such a low TD across the evap.
> > >> Rather than just start fiddling with the charge I thought I might wan=
t
> > >> to actually try to figure out what's wrong with it.
>
> > >> The only other thing out of the ordinary is the condenser fan was
> > >> replaced with one that's 75 rpm faster. It calls for a 1075 rpm and
> > >> has a 1150. In my brief experience I believe that won't have a big
> > >> effect.
>
> > >> any ideas?
>
> > >I'm thinking your TXV isn't opening enough to fill the coil completely
> > >with
> > >refrigerant, hence a low TD across the evaporator with a high
> > >superheat....
> > >[low performance.]
>
> > >All other signs seem normal, except that since the evaporator isn't
> > >getting
> > >enough refrigerant, I'd see a low head pressure because the system isn'=
t
> > >picking up enough heat......
>
> > >Thinking about Noon-air's recommendation, I'd likely go his route but
> > >install a new TXV while I'm there cleaning / checking the screen before=

> > >the
> > >valve.
>
> > Check that the bulb is properly mounted and insulated.
>
> > --
> > Click here every day to feed an animal that needs you today
> > !!!www.theanimalrescuesite.com/
>
> > Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me
> > 'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.'
> > 'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.'
> > HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's
> > Free demo online atwww.pmilligan.net/palm/
> > Free 'People finder' program now atwww.pmilligan.net/finder.htm-Hide
> > quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> That brings up a good question. =A0Some of the guys I work with insist
> on mounting it on a horizontal line, offset 45 degrees, and downstream
> of the pressure tap.... unless the manufacturer specifies otherwise.
> Others mount it vertically upstream and say there's no difference. =A0I
> side with the first group. =A0I cleaned and re-insulated/taped the bulb.
>
> comments?
>
> Yeah, Why didn't you answer my questions?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Didn't see your post. You clearly don't know anything about Texas
divorce law. The law is.... she gets everything. But that's a
different story for a different group.


How long is the lineset and where is its location? Lineset about
40'. As far as location... I'm not sure what you're asking. I'm not
trying to be smart but the only way I know to answer that is, it's in
the attic and in the wall between the evap and condenser.

Have you checked for proper indoor fan speed? Yes, it's fine. I was
always taught to check that and clean it.

The system is NOT overcharged or you would have a higher Subcooling
reading.



Posted by KJPRO on May 16, 2008, 2:03 am


> > Yeah, Why didn't you answer my questions?- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > - Show quoted text -

> Didn't see your post. You clearly don't know anything about Texas
> divorce law. The law is.... she gets everything. But that's a
> different story for a different group.


A bullet is pretty cheap... :-)


> How long is the lineset and where is its location? Lineset about
> 40'. As far as location... I'm not sure what you're asking. I'm not
> trying to be smart but the only way I know to answer that is, it's in
> the attic and in the wall between the evap and condenser.


You answered my question, attic. That's the answer I was looking for...

Check to see if they insulated the LL.
Check the temperature of the LL at the condenser and at the evaporator.
If the LL is picking up enough attic heat, you'll end up with very little
(or no) subcooling at the coil. Leading you to high superheat and LL
gurgling (which you have).
So in the end, your TXV isn't getting the required solid column of liquid
for proper operation and performance.
By your numbers, I'd add refrigerant to raise the subcooling. As I'd bet
that you're low on charge.

What's the model numbers of the cond. and evap?



Posted by Stormin Mormon on May 15, 2008, 2:52 pm
The last time I talked to a counter tech at Johnstone, he suggested to mount
the TXV bulb on the side of the refrigerant line. Bottom makes it in contact
with any liquid.

As to the other thought, that your TXV isn't metering enough. You can get
the same symptoms from dirty condensor. Feed seriously hot refrigerant.
Might even flash a bit in the liquid line. Condensors which look clean often
aren't. I dropped the amperage of a heat pump condensing unit about an amp,
one time, cleaning with alki foam. A couple other times I've gone from "no
cooling" to "wow, that's really great cooling" with some cleaning and a bit
of chemicals.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.


>
> Check that the bulb is properly mounted and insulated.
>

That brings up a good question. Some of the guys I work with insist
on mounting it on a horizontal line, offset 45 degrees, and downstream
of the pressure tap.... unless the manufacturer specifies otherwise.
Others mount it vertically upstream and say there's no difference. I
side with the first group. I cleaned and re-insulated/taped the bulb.

comments?




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