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pressure switch on gas furnace jonoh 10-18-2006
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Posted by Bob_Loblaw on October 19, 2006, 1:14 pm



> BTW, they rate the switches in inches wc, not what size paper towel
> the tube will hold.


LOL!!
New keyboard please!


--
Respectfully, Bob

Posted by jonoh on October 19, 2006, 2:38 pm
I may be out of my league (I'm a mechanical engineer) but it does seem
pretty cut and dry (towel reference). Furnace is about 15 years old.
1. Vent blower comes on (check) 2. creates suction to pressure
switch (no check) (Plenty of draft for burners though) 3. pressure
switch gets enough negative pressure (suction) to trip 24V switch. I
can bypass pressure switch and jump to next step to pinpoint problem
4. gas valve opens and burners ignite 5. limit switch trips when
hot enough and blower starts

Do I have it wrong???

> You need to determine the pressure/vacuum exactly. A gauge to do so
> will cost around $100. That and the pressure/vacuum the switch is
> designed to operate on and you know where the problem lies.
>
> BTW, they rate the switches in inches wc, not what size paper towel
> the tube will hold.
>
> You can't seriously expect to come into a newsgroup of professionals
> and get any sort of serious response without providing the information
> needed to correctly diagnose the problem. alt.home.repair is the
> proper place for group guessing.
>
>
>
>
> >It's virtually zero. I don't have meter/guage but it will barely hold
> >a dime size piece of paper towel. Tonight I plan on taking of vent
> >blower to see if trash has fell near opening. Does it have a baffle
> >to seperate vent and hose fitting?
>
> >> What's the pressure/vacuum at the switch and what's the switch rated
> >> for?
>
>
> >> >vent blower (working) replaced last year
> >> >limit switches (working)
> >> >vacuum tube is clear
> >> >Pressure switch (working outside of unit)
> >> >problem: not enough vacuum to trip pressure switch--
> >> If a tree falls in the woods and kills
> >> a mime, does anyone care?--
> If a tree falls in the woods and kills
> a mime, does anyone care?


Posted by Zephyr on October 19, 2006, 3:06 pm
Close. The "limit switch" your referring too is likely [or could be] the
"fan switch." The "limit switch" is to keep the furnace from overheating.

If the F.AU. is 15 years old, it is likely not a "high - low fire" unit
currently being marketed. I'd check the flu, be sure there is not an
obstruction [any obstruction would cause the draw from the inducer to
change - one of the reasons the mfg. put the little pressure switch there].
If there is not an obstruction, and the inducer is up to speed [the second
reason for the pressure switch], then it is possible the switch is bad. But
I'll bet the inducer motor isn't up to speed. They are generally a shaded
pole motor and can run "under speed" when the bearings / windings begin to
fail.

You'd be ahead to call someone who knows and is familiar with these heaters
and would be able to tell you what your problem is. I realize you are an
engineer from your posting. I don't know what type of engineering you do,
but it you are paid enough, then why monkey around. Have it fixed correctly
by the person with the right training. Unless you're broke and can't afford
a trained repair person?

--
Zyp

> I may be out of my league (I'm a mechanical engineer) but it does seem
> pretty cut and dry (towel reference). Furnace is about 15 years old.
> 1. Vent blower comes on (check) 2. creates suction to pressure
> switch (no check) (Plenty of draft for burners though) 3. pressure
> switch gets enough negative pressure (suction) to trip 24V switch. I
> can bypass pressure switch and jump to next step to pinpoint problem
> 4. gas valve opens and burners ignite 5. limit switch trips when
> hot enough and blower starts
>
> Do I have it wrong???
>
> > You need to determine the pressure/vacuum exactly. A gauge to do so
> > will cost around $100. That and the pressure/vacuum the switch is
> > designed to operate on and you know where the problem lies.
> >
> > BTW, they rate the switches in inches wc, not what size paper towel
> > the tube will hold.
> >
> > You can't seriously expect to come into a newsgroup of professionals
> > and get any sort of serious response without providing the information
> > needed to correctly diagnose the problem. alt.home.repair is the
> > proper place for group guessing.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >It's virtually zero. I don't have meter/guage but it will barely hold
> > >a dime size piece of paper towel. Tonight I plan on taking of vent
> > >blower to see if trash has fell near opening. Does it have a baffle
> > >to seperate vent and hose fitting?
> >
> > >> What's the pressure/vacuum at the switch and what's the switch rated
> > >> for?
> >
> >
> > >> >vent blower (working) replaced last year
> > >> >limit switches (working)
> > >> >vacuum tube is clear
> > >> >Pressure switch (working outside of unit)
> > >> >problem: not enough vacuum to trip pressure switch--
> > >> If a tree falls in the woods and kills
> > >> a mime, does anyone care?--
> > If a tree falls in the woods and kills
> > a mime, does anyone care?
>



Posted by jonoh on October 19, 2006, 3:45 pm
Thank You for your opinion and input. You are the reason I tried
this site. Thanks again.
I'll take it off and inspect for obstructions first then call for help
if that is not the problem.

Thanks again

> Close. The "limit switch" your referring too is likely [or could be] the
> "fan switch." The "limit switch" is to keep the furnace from overheating.
>
> If the F.AU. is 15 years old, it is likely not a "high - low fire" unit
> currently being marketed. I'd check the flu, be sure there is not an
> obstruction [any obstruction would cause the draw from the inducer to
> change - one of the reasons the mfg. put the little pressure switch there].
> If there is not an obstruction, and the inducer is up to speed [the second
> reason for the pressure switch], then it is possible the switch is bad. But
> I'll bet the inducer motor isn't up to speed. They are generally a shaded
> pole motor and can run "under speed" when the bearings / windings begin to
> fail.
>
> You'd be ahead to call someone who knows and is familiar with these heaters
> and would be able to tell you what your problem is. I realize you are an
> engineer from your posting. I don't know what type of engineering you do,
> but it you are paid enough, then why monkey around. Have it fixed correctly
> by the person with the right training. Unless you're broke and can't afford
> a trained repair person?
>
> --
> Zyp
>
>
> > I may be out of my league (I'm a mechanical engineer) but it does seem
> > pretty cut and dry (towel reference). Furnace is about 15 years old.
> > 1. Vent blower comes on (check) 2. creates suction to pressure
> > switch (no check) (Plenty of draft for burners though) 3. pressure
> > switch gets enough negative pressure (suction) to trip 24V switch. I
> > can bypass pressure switch and jump to next step to pinpoint problem
> > 4. gas valve opens and burners ignite 5. limit switch trips when
> > hot enough and blower starts
>
> > Do I have it wrong???
>
> > > You need to determine the pressure/vacuum exactly. A gauge to do so
> > > will cost around $100. That and the pressure/vacuum the switch is
> > > designed to operate on and you know where the problem lies.
>
> > > BTW, they rate the switches in inches wc, not what size paper towel
> > > the tube will hold.
>
> > > You can't seriously expect to come into a newsgroup of professionals
> > > and get any sort of serious response without providing the information
> > > needed to correctly diagnose the problem. alt.home.repair is the
> > > proper place for group guessing.
>
>
> > > >It's virtually zero. I don't have meter/guage but it will barely hold
> > > >a dime size piece of paper towel. Tonight I plan on taking of vent
> > > >blower to see if trash has fell near opening. Does it have a baffle
> > > >to seperate vent and hose fitting?
>
> > > >> What's the pressure/vacuum at the switch and what's the switch rated
> > > >> for?
>
>
> > > >> >vent blower (working) replaced last year
> > > >> >limit switches (working)
> > > >> >vacuum tube is clear
> > > >> >Pressure switch (working outside of unit)
> > > >> >problem: not enough vacuum to trip pressure switch--
> > > >> If a tree falls in the woods and kills
> > > >> a mime, does anyone care?--
> > > If a tree falls in the woods and kills
> > > a mime, does anyone care?


Posted by Steve Scott on October 19, 2006, 6:20 pm
Yes, you do. If you're really an engineer than you know data is
important. Having the unit run after jumping the pressure switch
tells you either the switch is bad or it's not seeing enough
pressure/vacuum. How you determine if the switch is bad is by
checking just how much pressure/vacuum the switch is exposed to. I
simply don't know any other way to tell you but you have to know what
the pressure/vacuum the switch is exposed to and what the value is
supposed to be.

BTW, the burners firing doesn't tell you the draft is adequate. The
pressure switch tells you that.

And what do you mean the limit switch trips? That shouldn't do that
under normal operation.


>I may be out of my league (I'm a mechanical engineer) but it does seem
>pretty cut and dry (towel reference). Furnace is about 15 years old.
> 1. Vent blower comes on (check) 2. creates suction to pressure
>switch (no check) (Plenty of draft for burners though) 3. pressure
>switch gets enough negative pressure (suction) to trip 24V switch. I
>can bypass pressure switch and jump to next step to pinpoint problem
>4. gas valve opens and burners ignite 5. limit switch trips when
>hot enough and blower starts
>
>Do I have it wrong???
>
>> You need to determine the pressure/vacuum exactly. A gauge to do so
>> will cost around $100. That and the pressure/vacuum the switch is
>> designed to operate on and you know where the problem lies.
>>
>> BTW, they rate the switches in inches wc, not what size paper towel
>> the tube will hold.
>>
>> You can't seriously expect to come into a newsgroup of professionals
>> and get any sort of serious response without providing the information
>> needed to correctly diagnose the problem. alt.home.repair is the
>> proper place for group guessing.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >It's virtually zero. I don't have meter/guage but it will barely hold
>> >a dime size piece of paper towel. Tonight I plan on taking of vent
>> >blower to see if trash has fell near opening. Does it have a baffle
>> >to seperate vent and hose fitting?
>>
>> >> What's the pressure/vacuum at the switch and what's the switch rated
>> >> for?
>>
>>
>> >> >vent blower (working) replaced last year
>> >> >limit switches (working)
>> >> >vacuum tube is clear
>> >> >Pressure switch (working outside of unit)
>> >> >problem: not enough vacuum to trip pressure switch--
>> >> If a tree falls in the woods and kills
>> >> a mime, does anyone care?--
>> If a tree falls in the woods and kills
>> a mime, does anyone care?


--
If a tree falls in the woods and kills
a mime, does anyone care?





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