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problems with heating system for steam/hyronic system mikeasmel 10-13-2006
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Posted by DIMwit on October 16, 2006, 6:27 am

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>
>> Steve
>> I am not there to tell you what is and what isn't
>> but if I was you I would make sure that you
>> don't have any air in the system, perhaps you
>> can check this you self by track the line that
>> comes of you heating system high pressure side
>> and follow it see if is hot all way through,
>> if it isn't hot all the way it is possible that you have air
>> in the system that air must be vented otherwise
>> pump will not prime properly and you would not have
>> full circulation
>> Good luck Dido
>
>
> It has nothing to do with the pump being primed, you clueless twit!
>
>
>
>
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>
>
> Respectfully, Bob

Maybe, but Dido is certainly correct in suggesting there is air in the
system and to check if the pipe or tubing is hot all the way or not. He
certainly has a very hard time expressing himself, but continues to try
suggesting things in spite of you all. He is UNDERDOG. His ........ah
nevermind.

Its a better suggestion than Bubba telling somebody to pull off the foam
insulation from the suction line at the evaporator and cut the line, where
the hissing sound is the unit getting fixed or something like that. Hey,
there ARE stupid people out there who just might do it. Sounded convincing
to me ;-]

Now that my heat is turned on this morning, I gotta do down and see if the
maid o' mist vent is working, cause I hear a little gurgling in my system.
Could be the big bean burrito I ate last night though. PSSSST! AH! right
in both cases; just had to let out enough air. What the fuck is that stink?
Hope my boiler didn't rust up with the air in it.

Bob




AppliancePartsPros.com, Inc.
Posted by Bob_Loblaw on October 16, 2006, 8:48 am



> Dido is certainly correct in suggesting there is air in the
> system


Whoopee for Dildo! "There might be air in the system!"
Elementary. Not exactly a stunning revelation on the part of a so-called
tech!
The question to be answered is how was the air was introduced into the
system in the first place, and what measures need to taken to rectify the
problem and prevent it from happening again.
Once again, Dildo jumps up and tries to sound like he knows something about
hvac, but offers little in the way of true expertise or legitimate problem
solving solutions.

If Dildo was on a plane that was falling out of the sky, he would
undoubtably rush to the cockpit and announce something brilliant like
" I think theres a problem with the engine. You should get it checked!"

--
Respectfully, Bob

Posted by Steve Scott on October 16, 2006, 11:50 am
It's a steam system. The only times it isn't supposed to have air in
it is when it's heating. Dido may have a point the system isn't
venting properly, but I suspect from his reply he thought it was a
water system as the steam isn't move by a pump.

On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 12:48:11 GMT, "Bob_Loblaw"

>
>
>
>> Dido is certainly correct in suggesting there is air in the
>> system
>
>
>Whoopee for Dildo! "There might be air in the system!"
>Elementary. Not exactly a stunning revelation on the part of a so-called
>tech!
>The question to be answered is how was the air was introduced into the
>system in the first place, and what measures need to taken to rectify the
>problem and prevent it from happening again.
>Once again, Dildo jumps up and tries to sound like he knows something about
>hvac, but offers little in the way of true expertise or legitimate problem
>solving solutions.
>
>If Dildo was on a plane that was falling out of the sky, he would
>undoubtably rush to the cockpit and announce something brilliant like
>" I think theres a problem with the engine. You should get it checked!"


--
'If you can read this, you're too
close to my car.'





Posted by Power's Mechanical on October 16, 2006, 6:25 pm

Steve Scott wrote:
> It's a steam system. The only times it isn't supposed to have air in
> it is when it's heating. Dido may have a point the system isn't
> venting properly, but I suspect from his reply he thought it was a
> water system as the steam isn't move by a pump.
>
> On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 12:48:11 GMT, "Bob_Loblaw"
>
> >
> >
> >
> >> Dido is certainly correct in suggesting there is air in the
> >> system
> >
> >
> >Whoopee for Dildo! "There might be air in the system!"
> >Elementary. Not exactly a stunning revelation on the part of a so-called
> >tech!
> >The question to be answered is how was the air was introduced into the
> >system in the first place, and what measures need to taken to rectify the
> >problem and prevent it from happening again.
> >Once again, Dildo jumps up and tries to sound like he knows something about
> >hvac, but offers little in the way of true expertise or legitimate problem
> >solving solutions.
> >
> >If Dildo was on a plane that was falling out of the sky, he would
> >undoubtably rush to the cockpit and announce something brilliant like
> >" I think theres a problem with the engine. You should get it checked!"
>
>

The way I read it was he has both HW and steam. He must have a steam
to HW converter which he calls a HX. He didnt say which part or, if
all of the house is not heating. If its the whole house it could be
something as simple as a low steam pressure setting.

If its the HW part then it may the reset ratio on the converter control
is incorrect or the valve is bad or the control is bad or it has air.
Maybe the tube bundle is leaking inside the converter. Could be a lot
of things that only an on site inspection will revel.

He says sludge in the old steam lines caused the circ pump to fail.
What pump? Certainly not a circ pump on the steam line. Sludge (and
I doubt its sludge) in the steam lnes will not intermingle with the HW
lines. Hot water line yes but they are two seperate piping systems. I
mean really now. How many times has anyone seen sludge in a steam pipe
or trap anyhow. I cant think of a one and Ive seen plenty of old steam
demo.

At any rate what he needs is a someone who knows what they are doing.
Someone who can reconize how a steam to hot water sytem is piped and
how its suppose to work.

What he is not going to find here without a grueling Q and A and flame
session, is answers.

Might as well let Dito give his advice. Its as good as any so far.


Posted by Bubba on October 17, 2006, 5:08 pm
On 16 Oct 2006 15:25:59 -0700, "Power's Mechanical"

>
>Steve Scott wrote:
>> It's a steam system. The only times it isn't supposed to have air in
>> it is when it's heating. Dido may have a point the system isn't
>> venting properly, but I suspect from his reply he thought it was a
>> water system as the steam isn't move by a pump.
>>
>> On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 12:48:11 GMT, "Bob_Loblaw"
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> Dido is certainly correct in suggesting there is air in the
>> >> system
>> >
>> >
>> >Whoopee for Dildo! "There might be air in the system!"
>> >Elementary. Not exactly a stunning revelation on the part of a so-called
>> >tech!
>> >The question to be answered is how was the air was introduced into the
>> >system in the first place, and what measures need to taken to rectify the
>> >problem and prevent it from happening again.
>> >Once again, Dildo jumps up and tries to sound like he knows something about
>> >hvac, but offers little in the way of true expertise or legitimate problem
>> >solving solutions.
>> >
>> >If Dildo was on a plane that was falling out of the sky, he would
>> >undoubtably rush to the cockpit and announce something brilliant like
>> >" I think theres a problem with the engine. You should get it checked!"
>>
>>
>
>The way I read it was he has both HW and steam. He must have a steam
>to HW converter which he calls a HX. He didnt say which part or, if
>all of the house is not heating. If its the whole house it could be
>something as simple as a low steam pressure setting.
>
>If its the HW part then it may the reset ratio on the converter control
>is incorrect or the valve is bad or the control is bad or it has air.
>Maybe the tube bundle is leaking inside the converter. Could be a lot
>of things that only an on site inspection will revel.
>
>He says sludge in the old steam lines caused the circ pump to fail.
>What pump? Certainly not a circ pump on the steam line. Sludge (and
>I doubt its sludge) in the steam lnes will not intermingle with the HW
>lines. Hot water line yes but they are two seperate piping systems. I
>mean really now. How many times has anyone seen sludge in a steam pipe
>or trap anyhow. I cant think of a one and Ive seen plenty of old steam
>demo.
>
Seriously? You havenet seen sludge in steam lines? Ive seen a ton of
it. Ive found it in boiler sections, return lines (plugged enough that
they rotted through), McDonald Miller low water cut offs, steam traps,
etc. Biggest reason is poor piping and poor maintenance. I wouldnt
know what to do if I didnt find sludge/mud in steam lines.
"Man'z gotta work, ya know?"
Bubba

>At any rate what he needs is a someone who knows what they are doing.
>Someone who can reconize how a steam to hot water sytem is piped and
>how its suppose to work.
>
>What he is not going to find here without a grueling Q and A and flame
>session, is answers.
>
>Might as well let Dito give his advice. Its as good as any so far.

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