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Posted by Zyp on September 3, 2007, 7:52 pm
jmartinez.tools@gmail.com wrote:
>> jmartinez.to...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> I have had my hvac unit die. The compressor has shorted out. The
>>> roof mounted unit was installed in 1976. I have had a contractor
>>> come out and his estimate was for a payne unit and did not break
>>> down the labor and unit cost. I can do the job myself but I am not
>>> having any luck in finding a supplier for a unit. The contractor
>>> that gave me an estimate told me that it was illegal for me do do
>>> an install myself? I am located in CA.
>>> The difficult part will be getting the old unit down and the new
>>> unit up on the roof.
>>> Gas heat horizontal output.
>>> My home is 1600 square feet, well insulated, 6 thermal pane
>>> windows, 2 thermal 8' doors. My calc shows me a need for 2.5ton
>>> and contractor shows 3 ton unit needed.
>>> Where can I look and find a unit to purchase? What can I expect to
>>> pay for a 2.5 or 3 ton unit,
>>
>> jmartinez;
>>
>> If you *own* your home in Sunny California [todays *Sunday*
>> temperature in So. Cal was 115º] then you are living in an expensive
>> home.
>
> Living in Nor Cal and they are all expensive now.
>
>
>> Why would you want to violate a federal law, by venting an HCFC
>> refrigerant in to the atmosphere just to save a couple of bucks?
>> And then, try to purchase, without the proper credentials an HCFC
>> refrigerant?
>>
> No need to vent refrigerant to air it is a not that kind of unit being
> removed.
>
>> Wouldn't you want your air condenser installed by a professionally
>> trained, licensed, insured and bonded company? Wouldn't you want
>> the equipment to perform at it's best and reduce your electrical
>> consumption?
>
> My thought is that the present unit was installed and all I need to do
> is place a new unit that
> is the same configuration heating and ac in one unit, horizontal
> output
> modify the present stand if need be and form the sheet metal to direct
> to the ducting in place.
>
> > Consider, this appliance is the *Single Most Expensive* piece of
> equipment
>> and uses the largest amount of energy in your home. Don't you
>> think, that you might need some fairly expensive test equipment to
>> guarentee it's correct and proper installation? To guarentee it as
>> efficient as it can be to reduce your monthly cost?
>
> The unit being will be self contained and when bought new should be
> guaranteed to work. Many of the things you say could applied to the
> work I have done here such as new thermal pane windows I installed, I
> removed a 6' slider and put in a 10' french door, replaced a swimming
> pool filter and pump. Removed 400+ sq' of deck and arbor and built a
> steel arbor and placed cobble stone. Oh I did hire some work it was
> new wall to wall carpet.
>
>>
>> Or would you prefer to violate the law, install somthing that *may*
>> work and will cost you more to operate than it should.
>>
>> Call your HVAC mechanic back, and try to work out some plan. Maybe
>> he'll give you a break. :)
>
> I may call him back but when I get an estimate that shows NO breakdown
> on equipment cost and labor I get a bit concerned. In my opinion at
> the very least the estimate should have showed me a cost for the hvac
> unit, and labor also the labor should show if it included checking
> ducting. Which I have already checked with a infrared temp gun when
> ac did work, I also checked it in the winter when I was using heat.
>
>>
>> --
>> Zyp
Well jmartinez;
I guess your mind is made up. Good luck then. But don't expect a
contractor to help you when this *is* their / my trade, and although I'm not
in your neck of the woods, I feel it would be more prudent if you hired a
licensed, trained *contractor.*
BTW: In the state of California, when you are a licensed contractor, we are
required to *write* a contract when the *total* job is over $750. That
contract is to spell out the materials & equipment for a *specific price.*
Also, under the State Board of Equilization, it is also required that way
since contractors are selling a *completed system* including labor. The
Sales Tax paid is technically a *use tax.* Not a sales tax, and therefore
is generally calculated differently. If you find a contractor who *will*
break the price down, he's not doing it correctly [according to the
Department of Consumer Affairs for the State of California & The State Board
of Equilization.] He can, it's just not correct.
The other issue is the refrigerant contained within a self-contained package
unit is not of a insignificant quanity. The refrigerant within the
equipment is an inrigal part and it won't run without it. So, one of the
reason(s) you can't seem to find a distributor who'll release a unit is
because you are not EPA certified. Nor do you have a resale permit for
sales tax. Most distributors may not want to handle the sales tax for you
[since it's going to be only one sale in 20 years.]
Did ya notice they don't sell these things at Home Depot? They direct you
to a licensed contractor?
FWIW: The Goodman unit warranty specifically states there is "No Warranty"
when purchased through the internet. It *must* be installed by a licensed
and trained contractor.
--
Zyp
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