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Posted by The King on December 12, 2008, 10:01 pm
On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:25:04 -0500, .p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com
wrote:
>On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 20:53:26 -0500, The King <The
>King@homeonthethrone.edu> wrote:
>>Looks like Toyota assy is a high pay and pork full, They just don't
>>have the legacy costs yet. When they do, poof they be gone.
> They won't HAVE those costs, because they are not caught up in
>a 40 - 50 year cycle of making far-distant promises to avaricious
>unions.
In effect they are free to flee at a moments notice if they want.
Which they will when the time comes. Just like GM does here,
announce a closing and poof they be gone.
Personally I wouldn't want to work under that crap threat everyday.
I've had guys in the shops tell me they would like my job because of
the travel, I wouldn't like there's because of the lack of travel.
> They are paying good VERY GOOD competitive wages and benefits
>( otherwise they would be unable to hire anyone ), not 'promising the
>moon and the stars'.
Well I've always said while walking through any UAW plant that its no
wonder they are loosing there asses. So much waste.
Basically its like that for me in the UA, I don't get any stars (well
except for my UA star ranking) and if I don't work I don't eat. I
make a good wage with health care as long as I work. No paid days off,
no personal days no paid vacation. I might not get any stars but
sometimes I get mooned.
>> $25 to
>>start for putting rear view mirrors. If you look at the you tube
> That IS insane. But they are not promising that 20 - 30 - 40
>years from now, tehy will pay worker's full retirement, health costs
>in old age, etc, on top of it.
Nobody is promising anything these days. Those days are long gone.
>>vidis you'll see toyota work is a lot easier and much more automated
>>with fewer workers. Very easy work for high dollar non union work.
>>Wheres the outrage. :)
> What outrage ? You mean , the union outrage because they are
>getting the job done with FEWER people, at LOWER cost ?
Is the UAW the only reason you oppose the loan?
>>"The starting vacation when you hit "full time" employment is 20 days.
>>Not bad. But on top of your 20 days you get all the stat holidays plus
>>9 holidays that the company pays for, plus a 1 week shutdown over the
>>summer, plus a 1.5 week shutdown at Christmas. Bonuses are 2 times a
>>year depending on attendance and performance can equate to about 4% of
>>your wage. The starting salary I think everyone who has applied is
>>well aware it's about 55K"
> Very very much too much. But again - see above. They are not
>building a bomb set to detonate 20 - 30 years from now. And they can
>CUT BACK AS NEEDED to suit market conditions.
They've always cut back as needed. That's where the decacant vids of
Detroit and lakewood are about. Showing the results of cut backs and
closures.
>>"I've heard from some who have been hired within the past six months
>>that the starting wage for a production team member is $25/hour, and
>>that with each three month contract signed the wage goes up a bit. I
>>heard that new hires sign three of the three month contracts and then
>>are hired permanently (if all goes well) at a wage of $30-35/hour, but
>>I'm not sure. If you check out the Top 100 Employers for Canada 2008
>>you will see that TMMC has made it on the list and it describes many
>>of the benefits that are offered to employees."
> So - they are EXCELLENT jobs to get, and yet the company can
>make a good solid profit from them every year, indefinitily. Sounds
>like a win-win plan to me !
Yup me too. That's why I don't understand the opposition to a loan.
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