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Posted by .p.jm on December 12, 2008, 10:26 pm
On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 22:01:02 -0500, The King <The
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>On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:25:04 -0500, .p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com
>wrote:
>>On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 20:53:26 -0500, The King <The
>>King@homeonthethrone.edu> wrote:
>>>Looks like Toyota assy is a high pay and pork full, They just don't
>>>have the legacy costs yet. When they do, poof they be gone.
>> They won't HAVE those costs, because they are not caught up in
>>a 40 - 50 year cycle of making far-distant promises to avaricious
>>unions.
>In effect they are free to flee at a moments notice if they want.
Yep. Just like any other employer.
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>Which they will when the time comes. Just like GM does here,
>announce a closing and poof they be gone.
Yes, they can make whatever business decisions they choose.
Working at a company is not a guarantee that they will still be
employing you there 5 - 10 - 40 years later. This is called 'the real
world'.
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>Personally I wouldn't want to work under that crap threat everyday.
Then you can ONLY work for a union, and an unusually strong
one like UAW. There is NO OTHER COMPANY where you have a gaurantee
like that.
Then again - watcha gonna do when your famed UAW company files
bankruptcy, and the government decides NOT to bail them out this
time ?
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>I've had guys in the shops tell me they would like my job because of
>the travel, I wouldn't like there's because of the lack of travel.
>> They are paying good VERY GOOD competitive wages and benefits
>>( otherwise they would be unable to hire anyone ), not 'promising the
>>moon and the stars'.
>Well I've always said while walking through any UAW plant that its no
>wonder they are loosing there asses. So much waste.
IBM used to be like that 30 years ago. I remember walking
into a room and seeing HUGE wall of shelves PACKED with the latest
'hot gear' from Texas Instruments, etc etc - top of the line scopes,
etc. All tagged 'salvage'. I asked why. I was told 'They're last
year's model, this year's model has an extra button or feature, so we
replaced them and we're throwing them out.' There had to have been .
$ 1,000,000 of < 1 year old high-end test equipment on those shelves.
To be GROUND UP AND COMPACTED, not SOLD. Company policy.
IBM USED to be 'The Holy Grail' of the computer world - get
'in', you had a job for life. Look where it got them.
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>Basically its like that for me in the UA, I don't get any stars (well
>except for my UA star ranking) and if I don't work I don't eat. I
>make a good wage with health care as long as I work. No paid days off,
>no personal days no paid vacation.
Then obviously you don't work for the UAW.
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>Nobody is promising anything these days. Those days are long gone.
Not for 'legacy' UAW workers. Read that contract you pointed
to.
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>Is the UAW the only reason you oppose the loan?
Not at all. Bad management, total lack of foresight ( where
are the cars of the future we should be driving today ? The 50 - 60 +
MPG cars ? The all-electrics? ), the advertising ( creating the
'mystique' of the SUV ) etc etc. Horrible business model from top to
bottom. And they have NEVER truly changed it. And I suspect they
never will.
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>> So - they are EXCELLENT jobs to get, and yet the company can
>>make a good solid profit from them every year, indefinitily. Sounds
>>like a win-win plan to me !
>Yup me too. That's why I don't understand the opposition to a loan.
You confuse the facts - I was referring to the NON Big Three
companies, the ones making money, the ones NOT asking for the
taxpayers to absorb the result of their failures.
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>On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:25:04 -0500, .p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com
>wrote:
>>On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 20:53:26 -0500, The King <The
>>King@homeonthethrone.edu> wrote:
>>>Looks like Toyota assy is a high pay and pork full, They just don't
>>>have the legacy costs yet. When they do, poof they be gone.
>> They won't HAVE those costs, because they are not caught up in
>>a 40 - 50 year cycle of making far-distant promises to avaricious
>>unions.
>In effect they are free to flee at a moments notice if they want.