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why is steam heat inefficient? Josh 03-16-2007
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Posted by on March 23, 2007, 3:15 pm
> On 22 Mar 2007 13:15:36 -0700, acctforj...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>
> >> Fresh Meat! Game on!
> >> Bubba
>
> >I'll let you know I'm not that kind of guy. Maybe you want to try
> >alt.gay or whatever it is.
>
> Im guessing

Your guess: WRONG!!

>you really are but you just dont know it.

Oh I think it would be very obvious.

> LIfe must suck to be you.

Huh? Wow, how creative. Come on, no furnace jokes???

> Bubba



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Posted by on March 23, 2007, 6:24 pm

> > On 22 Mar 2007 13:15:36 -0700, acctforj...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >
> >
> > >> Fresh Meat! Game on!
> > >> Bubba
> >
> > >I'll let you know I'm not that kind of guy. Maybe you want to try
> > >alt.gay or whatever it is.
> >
> > Im guessing
>
> Your guess: WRONG!!
>
> >you really are but you just dont know it.
>
> Oh I think it would be very obvious.
>
> > LIfe must suck to be you.
>
> Huh? Wow, how creative. Come on, no furnace jokes???
>
> > Bubba


Bubba, you need to find a new pet... this one is BORING!!!!!!!!!




Posted by Bubba on March 23, 2007, 7:52 pm
On 23 Mar 2007 12:15:10 -0700, acctforjunk@yahoo.com wrote:

>> On 22 Mar 2007 13:15:36 -0700, acctforj...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>>
>> >> Fresh Meat! Game on!
>> >> Bubba
>>
>> >I'll let you know I'm not that kind of guy. Maybe you want to try
>> >alt.gay or whatever it is.
>>
>> Im guessing
>
>Your guess: WRONG!!
>
>>you really are but you just dont know it.
>
>Oh I think it would be very obvious.
>
>> LIfe must suck to be you.
>
>Huh? Wow, how creative. Come on, no furnace jokes???

Sorry. You would need to be worthy to receive them and its painfully
obvious that you arent.
Dont let the skylight hit you in the ass on the way out.
>
>> Bubba
>

Posted by -zero on March 16, 2007, 7:20 pm

> "Steam systems are generally less efficient than hot water heating
> systems,
> but the efficiency gain of upgrading to hot water is probably not worth
> the
> expense"
>
> I have heard this asserted just about everywhere universally, without a
> single justification. Why is steam heat less efficient? Is it
> intrinsically
> less efficient than hot water-based heating systems, or is it simply
> because
> its typical installation is more wasteful?

This address all of that;
http://www.steamingahead.org/casestudies/MoreCaseStudies.php


> My guess is that steam is less
> efficient because all the old steam pipes have had their asbestos
> insulation
> removed and haven't been reinsulated since.

Where has this happened?

> Add to that the fact that steam
> is much hotter and has less heat capacity than water and you have a recipe
> for a very inefficient system.

That is opposite of the truth and incorrect at the same time;
http://www.heatinghelp.com/newsletter.cfm?Id=187


> But bad practice doesn't mean steam heat is less efficient.
>
> And what about other types of home heating systems, like forced hot air?
> How
> efficient are they? Does the energy source matter as far as efficiency
> goes?
> Are oil-burning boilers/furnaces more efficient than gas burning ones?

Spend a few days over at Google.com . It's all been asked/answered.

-zero



Posted by Josh on March 16, 2007, 7:15 pm
Thanks zero. I've actually read a lot of Dan Holohan's stuff - he really
likes steam systems and has written much of what is available online about
steam heat.

| > I have heard this asserted just about everywhere universally, without a
| > single justification. Why is steam heat less efficient? Is it
| > intrinsically
| > less efficient than hot water-based heating systems, or is it simply
| > because
| > its typical installation is more wasteful?
|
| This address all of that;
| http://www.steamingahead.org/casestudies/MoreCaseStudies.php

They focus on industrial steam systems and how to improve efficiency. From
what I could tell, they do not address whether steam is intrsically less
efficient or whether the systems are poorly installed. Maybe you are
implying it doesn't matter. I think that is Dan Holohan's position.

|
|
| > My guess is that steam is less
| > efficient because all the old steam pipes have had their asbestos
| > insulation
| > removed and haven't been reinsulated since.
|
| Where has this happened?

Try Dan's other website -
http://www.heatinghelp.com/shopcart/product.cfm?category=2-109

|
| > Add to that the fact that steam
| > is much hotter and has less heat capacity than water and you have a
recipe
| > for a very inefficient system.
|
| That is opposite of the truth and incorrect at the same time;
| http://www.heatinghelp.com/newsletter.cfm?Id=187

From what I can tell, hot water systems operate around 200f. Steam is at
least 212.
Specific heat of steam is half that of water. What I did not account for is
latent heat needed to turn liquid water into steam.

But it's ok if I am completely wrong - it was simply a guess on my part. The
point is, I am told definitively by the DOE that steam is less efficient
than hot water heat. I just wanted to know if this was true and if so, why?

| Spend a few days over at Google.com . It's all been asked/answered.
I have. That's a copout, zero. If you didn't know the answer, you didn't
have to reply.




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