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Posted by on October 6, 2009, 11:11 pm
On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 18:34:10 -0500, Steve Barker
>George wrote:
>> Steve Barker wrote:
>>> George wrote:
>>>> Steve Barker wrote:
>>>>> hibb wrote:
>>>>>> Getting ready for the first oil change in my 2009 Matrix and read the
>>>>>> owner's manual and found that they recommend 0W20 oil fer this thang.
>>>>>> K-Mart doesn't carry it. Menards doesn't carry it. Napa dealer didn't
>>>>>> have it but they did have the filter for the car.
>>>>>> I plan, for the time being, to start changing my own oil again. Oil
>>>>>> change places tend to tear up the undercarriage cover to get to the
>>>>>> oil filter. So, where is a good source to get the oil and filter and
>>>>>> still get a decent price. Right now, it looks like the cost of the oil
>>>>>> and filter is about what I would pay to get the oil changed by
>>>>>> somebody else.
>>>>>> Thanks, David
>>>>> since most people are hell bent on using multiviscosity oil, just
>>>>> use good old 10w30. Personally, i use straight 30 in all my
>>>>> vehicles year 'round.
>>>>> steve
>>>> Some people do care about compatibility issues etc because additives
>>>> vary with viscosity. Running straight weight oil is a relic from the
>>>> long ago past. A car engine isn't some industrial gear box that is
>>>> always in the same temperature range. Using a lubricant that changes
>>>> viscosity as required is quite sensible and good engineering. This is
>>>> especially true where using a heavy straight weight oil would make
>>>> the vehicle unusable for half the year because you could never start it.
>>> OH, and BTW, i live in zone 5, granted not the coldest place in the
>>> US, but the oil has nothing to do with the ability to start the
>>> engine. I ran straight 50 in a 400 ford for years due to consumption
>>> issues and never had a bit of problem with it either. It also was
>>> used to push snow, so yes, it was used in the winter.
>>> s
>> I am guessing a lot of folks would like to lead your charmed life. In
>> places besides your driveway the weight of the oil does make a
>> difference in cold weather starting.
>no it doesn't.
At -40, a 20W weight oil is thick like tar and starting is VERY
difficult. A 1969 Dodge slant six would not turn over - after an hour
with heat, it finally started and blew the oil filter off.
With a 10W base oil (10W40, in fact) it started perfectly the next
morning, at -42F
I'd have hated to even think about #30 without a block heater - Which
I'm sure you used on the 400 Ford.
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Posted by Steve Barker on October 7, 2009, 8:14 pm
clare@snyder.on.ca wrote:
> On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 18:34:10 -0500, Steve Barker
>
>> George wrote:
>>> Steve Barker wrote:
>>>> George wrote:
>>>>> Steve Barker wrote:
>>>>>> hibb wrote:
>>>>>>> Getting ready for the first oil change in my 2009 Matrix and read the
>>>>>>> owner's manual and found that they recommend 0W20 oil fer this thang.
>>>>>>> K-Mart doesn't carry it. Menards doesn't carry it. Napa dealer didn't
>>>>>>> have it but they did have the filter for the car.
>>>>>>> I plan, for the time being, to start changing my own oil again. Oil
>>>>>>> change places tend to tear up the undercarriage cover to get to the
>>>>>>> oil filter. So, where is a good source to get the oil and filter and
>>>>>>> still get a decent price. Right now, it looks like the cost of the oil
>>>>>>> and filter is about what I would pay to get the oil changed by
>>>>>>> somebody else.
>>>>>>> Thanks, David
>>>>>> since most people are hell bent on using multiviscosity oil, just
>>>>>> use good old 10w30. Personally, i use straight 30 in all my
>>>>>> vehicles year 'round.
>>>>>> steve
>>>>> Some people do care about compatibility issues etc because additives
>>>>> vary with viscosity. Running straight weight oil is a relic from the
>>>>> long ago past. A car engine isn't some industrial gear box that is
>>>>> always in the same temperature range. Using a lubricant that changes
>>>>> viscosity as required is quite sensible and good engineering. This is
>>>>> especially true where using a heavy straight weight oil would make
>>>>> the vehicle unusable for half the year because you could never start it.
>>>> OH, and BTW, i live in zone 5, granted not the coldest place in the
>>>> US, but the oil has nothing to do with the ability to start the
>>>> engine. I ran straight 50 in a 400 ford for years due to consumption
>>>> issues and never had a bit of problem with it either. It also was
>>>> used to push snow, so yes, it was used in the winter.
>>>> s
>>> I am guessing a lot of folks would like to lead your charmed life. In
>>> places besides your driveway the weight of the oil does make a
>>> difference in cold weather starting.
>> no it doesn't.
>
>
> At -40, a 20W weight oil is thick like tar and starting is VERY
> difficult. A 1969 Dodge slant six would not turn over - after an hour
> with heat, it finally started and blew the oil filter off.
> With a 10W base oil (10W40, in fact) it started perfectly the next
> morning, at -42F
>
> I'd have hated to even think about #30 without a block heater - Which
> I'm sure you used on the 400 Ford.
no block heater. if the engine is in proper tune, it makes absolutely
no difference what weight oil is laying in the oil pan. Also ran a 6.9
diesel (85) on straight 30 after ford recommended it. No problems
starting it either to go out snow plowing.
s
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Posted by on October 7, 2009, 10:33 pm
On Wed, 07 Oct 2009 19:14:40 -0500, Steve Barker
>clare@snyder.on.ca wrote:
>> On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 18:34:10 -0500, Steve Barker
>>
>>> George wrote:
>>>> Steve Barker wrote:
>>>>> George wrote:
>>>>>> Steve Barker wrote:
>>>>>>> hibb wrote:
>>>>>>>> Getting ready for the first oil change in my 2009 Matrix and read the
>>>>>>>> owner's manual and found that they recommend 0W20 oil fer this thang.
>>>>>>>> K-Mart doesn't carry it. Menards doesn't carry it. Napa dealer didn't
>>>>>>>> have it but they did have the filter for the car.
>>>>>>>> I plan, for the time being, to start changing my own oil again. Oil
>>>>>>>> change places tend to tear up the undercarriage cover to get to the
>>>>>>>> oil filter. So, where is a good source to get the oil and filter and
>>>>>>>> still get a decent price. Right now, it looks like the cost of the oil
>>>>>>>> and filter is about what I would pay to get the oil changed by
>>>>>>>> somebody else.
>>>>>>>> Thanks, David
>>>>>>> since most people are hell bent on using multiviscosity oil, just
>>>>>>> use good old 10w30. Personally, i use straight 30 in all my
>>>>>>> vehicles year 'round.
>>>>>>> steve
>>>>>> Some people do care about compatibility issues etc because additives
>>>>>> vary with viscosity. Running straight weight oil is a relic from the
>>>>>> long ago past. A car engine isn't some industrial gear box that is
>>>>>> always in the same temperature range. Using a lubricant that changes
>>>>>> viscosity as required is quite sensible and good engineering. This is
>>>>>> especially true where using a heavy straight weight oil would make
>>>>>> the vehicle unusable for half the year because you could never start it.
>>>>> OH, and BTW, i live in zone 5, granted not the coldest place in the
>>>>> US, but the oil has nothing to do with the ability to start the
>>>>> engine. I ran straight 50 in a 400 ford for years due to consumption
>>>>> issues and never had a bit of problem with it either. It also was
>>>>> used to push snow, so yes, it was used in the winter.
>>>>> s
>>>> I am guessing a lot of folks would like to lead your charmed life. In
>>>> places besides your driveway the weight of the oil does make a
>>>> difference in cold weather starting.
>>> no it doesn't.
>>
>>
>> At -40, a 20W weight oil is thick like tar and starting is VERY
>> difficult. A 1969 Dodge slant six would not turn over - after an hour
>> with heat, it finally started and blew the oil filter off.
>> With a 10W base oil (10W40, in fact) it started perfectly the next
>> morning, at -42F
>>
>> I'd have hated to even think about #30 without a block heater - Which
>> I'm sure you used on the 400 Ford.
>no block heater. if the engine is in proper tune, it makes absolutely
>no difference what weight oil is laying in the oil pan. Also ran a 6.9
>diesel (85) on straight 30 after ford recommended it. No problems
>starting it either to go out snow plowing.
>s
Your experience flies in the face of decades of experience up here in
the great white north.
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Posted by Steve Barker on October 8, 2009, 10:28 am
clare@snyder.on.ca wrote:
> On Wed, 07 Oct 2009 19:14:40 -0500, Steve Barker
>
>> clare@snyder.on.ca wrote:
>>> On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 18:34:10 -0500, Steve Barker
>>>> George wrote:
>>>>> Steve Barker wrote:
>>>>>> George wrote:
>>>>>>> Steve Barker wrote:
>>>>>>>> hibb wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Getting ready for the first oil change in my 2009 Matrix and read the
>>>>>>>>> owner's manual and found that they recommend 0W20 oil fer this thang.
>>>>>>>>> K-Mart doesn't carry it. Menards doesn't carry it. Napa dealer didn't
>>>>>>>>> have it but they did have the filter for the car.
>>>>>>>>> I plan, for the time being, to start changing my own oil again. Oil
>>>>>>>>> change places tend to tear up the undercarriage cover to get to the
>>>>>>>>> oil filter. So, where is a good source to get the oil and filter and
>>>>>>>>> still get a decent price. Right now, it looks like the cost of the oil
>>>>>>>>> and filter is about what I would pay to get the oil changed by
>>>>>>>>> somebody else.
>>>>>>>>> Thanks, David
>>>>>>>> since most people are hell bent on using multiviscosity oil, just
>>>>>>>> use good old 10w30. Personally, i use straight 30 in all my
>>>>>>>> vehicles year 'round.
>>>>>>>> steve
>>>>>>> Some people do care about compatibility issues etc because additives
>>>>>>> vary with viscosity. Running straight weight oil is a relic from the
>>>>>>> long ago past. A car engine isn't some industrial gear box that is
>>>>>>> always in the same temperature range. Using a lubricant that changes
>>>>>>> viscosity as required is quite sensible and good engineering. This is
>>>>>>> especially true where using a heavy straight weight oil would make
>>>>>>> the vehicle unusable for half the year because you could never start it.
>>>>>> OH, and BTW, i live in zone 5, granted not the coldest place in the
>>>>>> US, but the oil has nothing to do with the ability to start the
>>>>>> engine. I ran straight 50 in a 400 ford for years due to consumption
>>>>>> issues and never had a bit of problem with it either. It also was
>>>>>> used to push snow, so yes, it was used in the winter.
>>>>>> s
>>>>> I am guessing a lot of folks would like to lead your charmed life. In
>>>>> places besides your driveway the weight of the oil does make a
>>>>> difference in cold weather starting.
>>>> no it doesn't.
>>> At -40, a 20W weight oil is thick like tar and starting is VERY
>>> difficult. A 1969 Dodge slant six would not turn over - after an hour
>>> with heat, it finally started and blew the oil filter off.
>>> With a 10W base oil (10W40, in fact) it started perfectly the next
>>> morning, at -42F
>>> I'd have hated to even think about #30 without a block heater - Which
>>> I'm sure you used on the 400 Ford.
>> no block heater. if the engine is in proper tune, it makes absolutely
>> no difference what weight oil is laying in the oil pan. Also ran a 6.9
>> diesel (85) on straight 30 after ford recommended it. No problems
>> starting it either to go out snow plowing.
>> s
> Your experience flies in the face of decades of experience up here in
> the great white north.
Well the very worst we see as a rule is about 10 below actual temp.
Very, very rare to be colder than that. And mostly between 0 and 20
most winter nights. (kansas city area)
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Posted by Congoleum Breckenridge on October 6, 2009, 1:11 pm
hibb wrote:
> Getting ready for the first oil change in my 2009 Matrix and read the
> owner's manual and found that they recommend 0W20 oil fer this thang.
>
> K-Mart doesn't carry it. Menards doesn't carry it. Napa dealer didn't
> have it but they did have the filter for the car.
>
> I plan, for the time being, to start changing my own oil again. Oil
> change places tend to tear up the undercarriage cover to get to the
> oil filter. So, where is a good source to get the oil and filter and
> still get a decent price. Right now, it looks like the cost of the oil
> and filter is about what I would pay to get the oil changed by
> somebody else.
>
> Thanks, David
>
Walmart carrys Mobil1 0w-20 in 5 quart jugs for $22.00
Cruise over to http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php
You'll learn everything about Oils, filters, etc....
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