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0W20 oil hibb 10-04-2009
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Posted by Ed Pawlowski on October 4, 2009, 2:36 pm



> Getting ready for the first oil change in my 2009 Matrix and read the
> owner's manual and found that they recommend 0W20 oil fer this thang.
> K-Mart doesn't carry it. Menards doesn't carry it. Napa dealer didn't
> have it but they did have the filter for the car.
> I plan, for the time being, to start changing my own oil again. Oil
> change places tend to tear up the undercarriage cover to get to the
> oil filter. So, where is a good source to get the oil and filter and
> still get a decent price. Right now, it looks like the cost of the oil
> and filter is about what I would pay to get the oil changed by
> somebody else.
> Thanks, David

For the first couple of changes, if you have to , pay the price and get the
oil. After that, if I could not easily find it I'd use 5W20 as the engine
is better broken in. The low viscosity is more for fuel mileage than
anything.



Posted by Jim on October 5, 2009, 7:20 pm


Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> hibb wrote:
[....]
> > owner's manual and found that they recommend
> > 0W20 oil fer this thang.
[....]
> The low viscosity is more for fuel mileage than
> anything.

http://www.smartsynthetics.com/articles/5w20oil.htm

"The main reason 5W-20 or 0W-20 oil was specified for your engine
is to increase the CAFE (Corporate Average Fuel Economy) reported
to the Federal Government. CAFE is the combined average fuel
economy of all of a vehicle manufacturers product line."


http://www.smartsynthetics.com/articles/5w20oil.htm

"This increased fuel economy is virtually undetectable to the average
motorist without the use of specialized engine monitoring and testing
equipment under strictly controlled test track driving when compared
to a 5W-30, 10W-30 or a 0W-30 viscosity motor oil."


Larry, your thoughts please.

Posted by Larry Caldwell on October 5, 2009, 11:32 pm


says...
> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> > hibb wrote:
> [....]
> > > owner's manual and found that they recommend
> > > 0W20 oil fer this thang.
> [....]
> > The low viscosity is more for fuel mileage than
> > anything.
>
> http://www.smartsynthetics.com/articles/5w20oil.htm
>
> "The main reason 5W-20 or 0W-20 oil was specified for your engine
> is to increase the CAFE (Corporate Average Fuel Economy) reported
> to the Federal Government. CAFE is the combined average fuel
> economy of all of a vehicle manufacturers product line."
>
>
> http://www.smartsynthetics.com/articles/5w20oil.htm
>
> "This increased fuel economy is virtually undetectable to the average
> motorist without the use of specialized engine monitoring and testing
> equipment under strictly controlled test track driving when compared
> to a 5W-30, 10W-30 or a 0W-30 viscosity motor oil."
>
>
> Larry, your thoughts please.

My Mazda PU specifies 5w-20, but the dealer always uses 5w-30 for the
oil changes. (I bought the lifetime oil change deal.) I was curious if
I could tell any difference, so I changed it myself once with 5w-20 and
couldn't tell any difference in gas mileage.

Since the weather has cooled off, I have gone back to driving my dad's
old 1984 Nissan pickup, with 5-speed standard transmission, no AC, no
power steering and a 4-cylinder Z24 engine. I notice about a 50%
improvement in gas mileage. The engine has 10w-30 stamped on it, but
I'm sure it would run fine on 5w-30 in the winter.

If you really have to squeeze the last erg out of your fuel, Red Line
markets a 0W5 racing oil. I wouldn't recommend it for street use.

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Posted by Jim on October 5, 2009, 11:53 pm


Larry Caldwell wrote:

> Jim says...
> > Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > > hibb wrote:
> > [....]
> > > > owner's manual and found that they recommend
> > > > 0W20 oil fer this thang.
> > [....]
> > > The low viscosity is more for fuel mileage than
> > > anything.
> > http://www.smartsynthetics.com/articles/5w20oil.htm
> > "The main reason 5W-20 or 0W-20 oil was specified for your engine
> > is to increase the CAFE
[....]
> > "This increased fuel economy is virtually undetectable
[....]
> > Larry, your thoughts please.
>
> My Mazda PU specifies 5w-20, but the dealer always uses 5w-30 for the
> oil changes. (I bought the lifetime oil change deal.) I was curious if
> I could tell any difference, so I changed it myself once with 5w-20 and
> couldn't tell any difference in gas mileage.
>
> Since the weather has cooled off, I have gone back to driving my dad's
> old 1984 Nissan pickup, with 5-speed standard transmission, no AC, no
> power steering and a 4-cylinder Z24 engine. I notice about a 50%
> improvement in gas mileage. The engine has 10w-30 stamped on it, but
> I'm sure it would run fine on 5w-30 in the winter.
>
> If you really have to squeeze the last erg out of your fuel, Red Line
> markets a 0W5 racing oil. I wouldn't recommend it for street use.

neat sharing of information. thanks Larry...

a friend who races on the small home boy circuit told me how he has
drained the heavy oil out of the rear end differential gear and replaced
it with Slick50® for his qualifying laps. He said he might pick up 1 or
2 mph by doing this and sometimes the difference between a good place in
the starting lineup and a not so good place in the starting lineup is
determined by only a few tenths of a mph. He went on to say he had
never run an entire race with such a lite weight lubricant in the rear
end deferential and how the point was all about qualifying for a good
starting position.

Posted by Tony on October 9, 2009, 5:57 pm


Jim wrote:
> Larry Caldwell wrote:
>
>> Jim says...
>>> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>> hibb wrote:
>>> [....]
>>>>> owner's manual and found that they recommend
>>>>> 0W20 oil fer this thang.
>>> [....]
>>>> The low viscosity is more for fuel mileage than
>>>> anything.
>>> http://www.smartsynthetics.com/articles/5w20oil.htm
>>> "The main reason 5W-20 or 0W-20 oil was specified for your engine
>>> is to increase the CAFE
> [....]
>>> "This increased fuel economy is virtually undetectable
> [....]
>>> Larry, your thoughts please.
>> My Mazda PU specifies 5w-20, but the dealer always uses 5w-30 for the
>> oil changes. (I bought the lifetime oil change deal.) I was curious if
>> I could tell any difference, so I changed it myself once with 5w-20 and
>> couldn't tell any difference in gas mileage.
>> Since the weather has cooled off, I have gone back to driving my dad's
>> old 1984 Nissan pickup, with 5-speed standard transmission, no AC, no
>> power steering and a 4-cylinder Z24 engine. I notice about a 50%
>> improvement in gas mileage. The engine has 10w-30 stamped on it, but
>> I'm sure it would run fine on 5w-30 in the winter.
>> If you really have to squeeze the last erg out of your fuel, Red Line
>> markets a 0W5 racing oil. I wouldn't recommend it for street use.
>
> neat sharing of information. thanks Larry...
>
> a friend who races on the small home boy circuit told me how he has
> drained the heavy oil out of the rear end differential gear and replaced
> it with Slick50® for his qualifying laps. He said he might pick up 1 or
> 2 mph by doing this and sometimes the difference between a good place in
> the starting lineup and a not so good place in the starting lineup is
> determined by only a few tenths of a mph. He went on to say he had
> never run an entire race with such a lite weight lubricant in the rear
> end deferential and how the point was all about qualifying for a good
> starting position.

I just now remembered something I saw on a cool morning in the pits at
what was "Indy" races. Almost everyone had a torpedo type kerosene
heater blowing on the rear differential long before the race started.

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