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12 amp wire size Henry 07-09-2007
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Posted by kool on July 10, 2007, 12:58 pm
How do they rate air compressors at 5HP when they have a 3/4 or 1 HP motor
driving it?

> On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 17:10:50 -0500, dpb wrote:
>
>> Toller wrote:
>>>> Henry wrote:
>>>>> I was wondering what cable size to use for wiring a 125V 12 amp fan
>>>>> that
>>>>> is 100 feet away from the breaker panel.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> You should be able to use 14 gauge wire.
>>>>
>>>> It'll drop about 4 volts at 12 amps over that length, but that
>>>> shouldn't
>>>> worry a fan much.
>>>>
>>> You could use #14, but there will be a lot of VD at startup, ...
>>
>> How did you determine that, and how much, specifically, are you thinking
>> is "a lot" for a fractional hp fan motor???
>
> Not to nitpick but wouldn't a motor drawing 12 running amps (if the OP is
> correct) be in the realm of a couple hp? If I recall my 5 hp compressor
> motor draws around 12.
>
>
>>> #12 isn't all that much more expensive.
>>
>> That's true, certainly, and I have pretty much quit using 14, but if
>> it's a dedicated circuit I don't think there's a chance in the world the
>> difference would make any practical difference at all.
>>
>> If, otoh, there's a chance of wanting something else, that would
>> necessitate it in all likelihood.
>



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Posted by on July 10, 2007, 3:21 pm
wrote:

>How do they rate air compressors at 5HP when they have a 3/4 or 1 HP motor
>driving it?


They lie.
Campbell Hausfeld lost a class axction suit over it. I ended up with a
sheet metal nibbler out of it.

Posted by Jeff Wisnia on July 10, 2007, 6:47 pm
kool wrote:

> How do they rate air compressors at 5HP when they have a 3/4 or 1 HP motor
> driving it?
>
>


AFAIK that's some a not very useful rating called "peak horsepower"
which I believe is the horsepower which can be delivered for a VERY
brief time if the motor is up to speed and you suddenly apply a heavy
torque load to it.

I think the energy must come from inertial storage in the rotating
parts, but it gets "used up" pretty quickly and the motor HAS to slow
down (and burn up?)

If someone has a better explanation, or a cite to an industry standard
definition, I'm all ears.

Jeff

--
Jeffry Wisnia
(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)
The speed of light is 1.8*10^12 furlongs per fortnight.


Posted by Jeff Wisnia on July 9, 2007, 6:51 pm
Toller wrote:

>
>>Henry wrote:
>>
>>>I was wondering what cable size to use for wiring a 125V 12 amp fan that
>>>is 100 feet away from the breaker panel.
>>>
>>>Thanks.
>>
>>
>>You should be able to use 14 gauge wire.
>>
>>It'll drop about 4 volts at 12 amps over that length, but that shouldn't
>>worry a fan much.
>>
>
> You could use #14, but there will be a lot of VD at startup, which won't be
> too good for the fan.
> #12 isn't all that much more expensive.
>
>

You're correct about that, and using 12 gauge might be a wise investment.

Currently Lowes' price for 100 ft of 14 gauge is $36.00 vs. $52.50 for
12 gauge.

Jeff

--
Jeffry Wisnia
(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)
The speed of light is 1.8*10^12 furlongs per fortnight.


Posted by Steve Barker on July 9, 2007, 10:26 pm
52.50? that sounds like a 200' price to me.

--
Steve Barker







> You're correct about that, and using 12 gauge might be a wise investment.
>
> Currently Lowes' price for 100 ft of 14 gauge is $36.00 vs. $52.50 for 12
> gauge.
>
> Jeff
>
> --
> Jeffry Wisnia
> (W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)
> The speed of light is 1.8*10^12 furlongs per fortnight.
>



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