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14 Wire on 20amp Breaker... felderbush001 08-29-2006
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Posted by on August 29, 2006, 5:10 pm
Howdy all.
Upon inspecting the electrical system in my home I noticed a couple
circuits wired with 14 gauge wire being protected by a 20amp breaker.
To me this doesn't seem safe, so I plan on replacing the breakers.

My question: is there a reason the electricain would run wire this way?
The 14 wires go to outlets. My family wouldn't draw enough power from
these outlets to cause a concern, but who knows what the future owners
of the house would plug into these outlets. It seems to me that the
possibility of a fire exists with the 20amp breakers protecting a 14
gauge circuit. Am I wrong on this? Also, is this something a home
inspector should have caught? We had the home inspected 5 years ago
before buying the house. The wiring is easily accessed via drop-down
ceiling panels in the basement.

-Felder


Posted by Pete C. on August 29, 2006, 5:23 pm
felderbush001@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> Howdy all.
> Upon inspecting the electrical system in my home I noticed a couple
> circuits wired with 14 gauge wire being protected by a 20amp breaker.
> To me this doesn't seem safe, so I plan on replacing the breakers.
>
> My question: is there a reason the electricain would run wire this way?
> The 14 wires go to outlets. My family wouldn't draw enough power from
> these outlets to cause a concern, but who knows what the future owners
> of the house would plug into these outlets. It seems to me that the
> possibility of a fire exists with the 20amp breakers protecting a 14
> gauge circuit. Am I wrong on this? Also, is this something a home
> inspector should have caught? We had the home inspected 5 years ago
> before buying the house. The wiring is easily accessed via drop-down
> ceiling panels in the basement.
>
> -Felder

Yes, replace the breakers with 15A ones.

No, there isn't any reason an electrician would wire 14ga on a 20A
breaker.

Yes, it should have been picked up by a home inspection.

Pete C.

Posted by Toller on August 29, 2006, 5:44 pm
> Yes, it should have been picked up by a home inspection.
>
Ideally yes, but is it something that home inspectors actually look at?
When I bought my house the "inspector" missed #12 on a 30a breaker and
(drumroll) three #12 circuits on a 50a breaker. Obviously he didn't look
very hard; but do any of them, or did I just get a dud?



Posted by Pete C. on August 29, 2006, 5:56 pm
Toller wrote:
>
> > Yes, it should have been picked up by a home inspection.
> >
> Ideally yes, but is it something that home inspectors actually look at?
> When I bought my house the "inspector" missed #12 on a 30a breaker and
> (drumroll) three #12 circuits on a 50a breaker. Obviously he didn't look
> very hard; but do any of them, or did I just get a dud?

You got a dud.

The wire gauge / breaker mismatch is one of the first and easiest things
a home inspector should check.

Pete C.

Posted by Keith Williams on August 30, 2006, 12:07 pm
says...
> Toller wrote:
> >
> > > Yes, it should have been picked up by a home inspection.
> > >
> > Ideally yes, but is it something that home inspectors actually look at?
> > When I bought my house the "inspector" missed #12 on a 30a breaker and
> > (drumroll) three #12 circuits on a 50a breaker. Obviously he didn't look
> > very hard; but do any of them, or did I just get a dud?
>
> You got a dud.
>
> The wire gauge / breaker mismatch is one of the first and easiest things
> a home inspector should check.

Yep, and anything this bad should tip the inspector off to look
closer for more code violations. The inspector that the buyers of
my MIL's house hired found all sorts of screwy things. The outlets
in the garage were all reversed, the grounds and neutrals were tied
together in the subpanel in the garage, and the upstairs smoke
detector was put in with a running slices and taped up with
electrical tape. I'm surprised no one got hurt in the place!

--
Keith

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