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Posted by on February 8, 2008, 3:40 pm
Folks:
More a style question than a code question.
Do you feel it is preferable to pull the service conductors into the
panel
and run them right to the lugs, or cut them long and form them into
a loop?
The loops add a little more flexibility, and give you some extra wire
if somewhere down the road the end should corrode or burn, but at
the same time, they take up a lot of space in the box, especially if
you're using larger gauges.
What does everybody think?
Another question: when trimming boxes, I tend to measure 8" or
so along the cable jacket, then staple it at that point on the cable,
but closer to the box, leaving a standing loop. I feel this helps
relieve potential strains, and allows the cable to be pulled into the
box at some future time if more wire is needed, or the box needs
to be moved slightly. Does anybody else do this? What do you
think of this practice?
Cordially yours:
A P
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Posted by hallerb@aol.com on February 8, 2008, 4:08 pm
On Feb 8, 3:40=EF=BF=BDpm, autobus_pr...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Folks:
>
> More a style question than a code question.
>
> Do you feel it is preferable to pull the service conductors into the
> panel
> and run them right to the lugs, or cut them long and form them into
> a loop?
>
> The loops add a little more flexibility, and give you some extra wire
> if somewhere down the road the end should corrode or burn, but at
> the same time, they take up a lot of space in the box, especially if
> you're using larger gauges.
>
> What does everybody think?
>
> Another question: when trimming boxes, I tend to measure 8" or
> so along the cable jacket, then staple it at that point on the cable,
> but closer to the box, leaving a standing loop. =EF=BF=BDI feel this helps=
> relieve potential strains, and allows the cable to be pulled into the
> box at some future time if more wire is needed, or the box needs
> to be moved slightly. Does anybody else do this? What do you
> think of this practice?
>
> Cordially yours:
> A P
I try to always leave a little slack in anything new I install after a
lifetime of wishing others had left me a little extra..........
might look a little messy but when you need a extra inch.
i try to stuff the lack back up in walls whenever possible
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Posted by John Grabowski on February 8, 2008, 4:33 pm
> Folks:
>
> More a style question than a code question.
>
> Do you feel it is preferable to pull the service conductors into the
> panel
> and run them right to the lugs, or cut them long and form them into
> a loop?
>
> The loops add a little more flexibility, and give you some extra wire
> if somewhere down the road the end should corrode or burn, but at
> the same time, they take up a lot of space in the box, especially if
> you're using larger gauges.
>
> What does everybody think?
I like the loops, but sometimes the larger wires are difficult to curl.
They are also good for expansion and contraction so there is no strain on
the lugs.
>
> Another question: when trimming boxes, I tend to measure 8" or
> so along the cable jacket, then staple it at that point on the cable,
> but closer to the box, leaving a standing loop. I feel this helps
> relieve potential strains, and allows the cable to be pulled into the
> box at some future time if more wire is needed, or the box needs
> to be moved slightly. Does anybody else do this? What do you
> think of this practice?
I tend to leave some slack along the line in case the customer decides to
move an outlet or switch unfortunately the price of copper keeps me from
leaving big loops, but I have heard of one contractor in my area that does
it.
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Posted by Jim Redelfs on February 8, 2008, 7:16 pm
In article
autobus_prime@yahoo.com wrote:
> Do you feel it is preferable to pull the service conductors into
> the panel and run them right to the lugs, or cut them long and
> form them into a loop?
In virtually all of the work I have seen (done well) in a service panel, the
conductors run straight down the sides (parallel to the vertical side of the
panel) then make a tight 90-degree "turn" into the breaker lug. I have never
seen a telco-like "slack loop" where the conductor extends PAST the lug then
makes a 180-degree turn back up - then a 90 into the lug. To me, that would
be overkill.
In any ostensibly permanent installation there should be enough slack to
remake the connection at least once, perhaps twice. Any more slack wire than
that is wasted, would tend to crowd the enclosure and possibly become a rats'
nest if future work is performed in the box.
> when trimming boxes, I tend to measure 8" or so along the
> cable jacket, then staple it at that point on the cable,
> but closer to the box, leaving a standing loop.
You leave a slack "loop" OUTSIDE the box? If yes, I disagree with the
practice. The romex should proceed straight and true into the box and, per
code, be secured outside the box and, where it enters the box, with a proper
clamp. All slack wire should be contained INSIDE the box. There should be
enough slack wire so that the wiring device extends COMPLETELY outside the box
to facilitate making its connections.
> I feel this helps relieve potential strains, and allows the cable
> to be pulled into the box at some future time if more wire is needed,
> or the box needs to be moved slightly. Does anybody else do this?
I don't.
> What do you think of this practice?
Not much.
Leaving slack cable inside a wall is a bad idea for several reasons: The
slack will interfere with insulation. It may be vulnerable to damage by
future attachments to the wall. It is also contrary to common installation
practice.
Accommodating for the POSSIBILITY of moving the box in the future SOUNDS good
but is impractical. I can't remember ever moving a box JUST ENOUGH so that
the slack you imply would accommodate the move. I have always had to replace
the run or splice on a new section inside the old box (blank cover plate or
just another duplex receptacle) and place the NEW box where needed.
--
:)
JR
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Posted by on February 9, 2008, 4:20 pm
> Leaving slack cable inside a wall is a bad idea for several reasons: =A0Th=
e
> slack will interfere with insulation. =A0It may be vulnerable to damage by=
> future attachments to the wall. =A0It is also contrary to common installat=
ion
> practice.
JR:
I'm thinking mostly about exposed work here, although I also leave
this extra
when doing new work in a wall. Old work in a wall is always going to
have slack.
Jerry - That provision only applies to conductors passing through
without
splicing, as in "courtesy loops" left for the next guy. If you strip
and cut
the wire off 14" long and skin it at the midpoint
and end for attaching to 2 device screws, it wouldn't count as two.
A P
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