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3-wire to 4-wire conversion for range and dryer outlets Percival P. Cassidy 06-05-2007
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Posted by Percival P. Cassidy on June 5, 2007, 10:53 pm
Our house has 3-conductor wiring for the range and dryer. Would it be OK
according to the NEC to run an additional (green) conductor alongside
the existing wiring and replace the receptacles by 4-pin ones? If so,
what gauge? Or would the existing wiring have to be replaced?

Perce

Posted by Steve Barker on June 5, 2007, 11:25 pm
Just put 3 wire pigtails on your appliances and get on with life.

--
Steve Barker





> Our house has 3-conductor wiring for the range and dryer. Would it be OK
> according to the NEC to run an additional (green) conductor alongside the
> existing wiring and replace the receptacles by 4-pin ones? If so, what
> gauge? Or would the existing wiring have to be replaced?
>
> Perce



Posted by zxcvbob on June 6, 2007, 1:04 am
Percival P. Cassidy wrote:
> Our house has 3-conductor wiring for the range and dryer. Would it be OK
> according to the NEC to run an additional (green) conductor alongside
> the existing wiring and replace the receptacles by 4-pin ones? If so,
> what gauge? Or would the existing wiring have to be replaced?
>
> Perce


Yes it would be OK, but it's not necessary. (a #10 wire should be
adequate for both if you do it anyway) You should not have to replace
the old wiring, but that kind of depends on whether the existing neutral
wire is insulated.

Bob

Posted by Percival P. Cassidy on June 6, 2007, 7:26 am
On 06/06/07 01:04 am zxcvbob wrote:

>> Our house has 3-conductor wiring for the range and dryer. Would it be
>> OK according to the NEC to run an additional (green) conductor
>> alongside the existing wiring and replace the receptacles by 4-pin
>> ones? If so, what gauge? Or would the existing wiring have to be
>> replaced?

> Yes it would be OK, but it's not necessary. (a #10 wire should be
> adequate for both if you do it anyway) You should not have to replace
> the old wiring, but that kind of depends on whether the existing neutral
> wire is insulated.

I realize that it's not *required*, but I was thinking that since our
new range comes without a cord, I might as well buy a 4-wire one and
upgrade the house wiring at the same time. And I assume that the Code
change was motivated by safety considerations, not just a desire to sell
more copper.

Perce

Posted by Doug Miller on June 6, 2007, 8:05 am
wrote:
>Percival P. Cassidy wrote:
>> Our house has 3-conductor wiring for the range and dryer. Would it be OK
>> according to the NEC to run an additional (green) conductor alongside
>> the existing wiring and replace the receptacles by 4-pin ones? If so,
>> what gauge? Or would the existing wiring have to be replaced?
>
>Yes it would be OK,

No, it's not. All conductors for a circuit are required to be in the same
raceway or cable. [2005 NEC, Article 300.5(I)]

> but it's not necessary.

That's true. Code permits connecting new appliances to *existing* 3-wire
circuits, but prohibits installing *new* 3-wire circuits for this purpose.

If it were me, though, and it wasn't too much effort or expense, I'd pull new
4-wire cable.

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.

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