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490 V Clamping Volt For MOV: Seems High ? Robert11 08-09-2005
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Posted by Chris Lewis on August 10, 2005, 1:41 pm




> > Thanks for such good info.

> > BTW: When an MOV fails due to being unable to dissipatge too many Joules,
> > or overcurrent, how does it fail ? As an open or as a short between the
> > lines it was trying to protect ?

> These short the line so that the fuse blows out, thus effectively
> disconnecting the load from the power source.

MOVs generally fail _open_, and the fuse don't blow. That's why most
protective devices have LEDs - to tell you whether the MOV is fried
or not.

Consider the situations under which they trip - very high transient voltages
and effectively an arc. The guts of the MOV are destroyed.
--
Chris Lewis, Una confibula non set est
It's not just anyone who gets a Starship Cruiser class named after them.


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Posted by Scott Willing on August 9, 2005, 8:20 pm


wrote:

>Hi,
>
>Thanks for such good info.
>
>BTW: When an MOV fails due to being unable to dissipatge too many Joules,
>or overcurrent, how does it fail ? As an open or as a short between the
>lines it was trying to protect ?

PMFJI, but...

MOV's fail open, and AFAIK, that's universally true. A bit sad since,
if you have no indicator light showing they're still alive, they can
take their last hit and depart the circuit leaving you none the wiser
and unprotected to boot.

A more hard-core approach is something like a TransZorb(R), which is
designed to fail short. In this case of course there must be a fuse or
fast-acting circuit-breaker to open or you have a fire hazard. With a
TransZorb and suitable current limiting in place you have far superior
protection than a MOV, and you can get a clamping voltage much closer
to what you want to protect.

http://www.transzorb.com/diodes/protection-tvs-esd/trans-zorb/

When I was using these they were a General Semiconductor product. It's
Vishay now I guess.

-=s



>Thanks,
>Bob
>-------------------
>> Hello,
>>
>> Thinking of installing an Intermatic AG series surge protector across a
>> single 110 V
>> line to help protect a circuiit board in a furnace.
>>
>> Clamping voltage is given as 490 V.
>>
>> Seems awfully high.
>>
>> Wouldn't most solid state devices blow (well) before this level ?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> B.
>>
>



Posted by Pop on August 10, 2005, 9:53 am


An MOV fails open-circuit. No surge protection ckt I
ever knew of would fail open circuit as that presents a
further hazard in the wiring to the device during the
overcurrent until it pops the breaker.
The poster who mentioned tranzorbs, etc. is also
correct in his post. A "safety" device will not create
an additional hazard (as in popping a breaker) when it
operates.

I hope you'll come back and let us know how your
solution works; I've seen your past posts about this
and found them interesting.

Just a final note: You do know that the ground to the
whole system is good, right? Surge protection such as
you need requires a good ground to be reliable. You
probably already answered that, but ... can't hurt to
check.

HTH,
Pop


> Hi,
>
> Thanks for such good info.
>
> BTW: When an MOV fails due to being unable to
> dissipatge too many Joules, or overcurrent, how does
> it fail ? As an open or as a short between the lines
> it was trying to protect ?
>
> Thanks,
> Bob
> -------------------
>> Hello,
>>
>> Thinking of installing an Intermatic AG series
>> surge protector across a single 110 V
>> line to help protect a circuiit board in a furnace.
>>
>> Clamping voltage is given as 490 V.
>>
>> Seems awfully high.
>>
>> Wouldn't most solid state devices blow (well) before
>> this level ?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> B.
>>
>
>




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