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Angle Cut for Facia on Gable Rake Side dkeener 02-29-2008
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Posted by marson on February 29, 2008, 10:04 pm
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> >> >I have a 3/12 pitch roof (3 inch's of rise for each 12 inch's of
> >> > run). I am installing Facia Board (1x8 pine) and my question concerns
> >> > the proper angle cut at the ridge of the roof. The right angle
> >> > triangle by definition of the 3/12 pitch has a 90degree angle at the
> >> > top plate center, a 14degree angle at the eave and a 76degree angle at
> >> > the ridge (for a total of 180degrees in the right triangle)
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> >> > Vision a gable roof and the two right triangles would fit against each
> >> > other and form the gable. The two 76degree angles would be together
> >> > at the ridge of the roof. What would the plumb cut be in degrees for
> >> > the facia board on the ridge? I thought that with two 76degree angles
> >> > combined that I would split that in half for the cut, but obviously
> >> > that is wrong. The angle cut is not 76degrees and my miter saw
> >> > wouldn't cut that anyway. I think the angle cut may be 14degrees for
> >> > each of the facia boards joining at the ridge on the two 76degree
> >> > angles, but I don't know why I think that or how the angle is actually
> >> > calculated.
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> >> > Thanks for any assistance with the angle cut.
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> >> > David
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> >> 90 minus 76 = 14
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> > 14degrees makes sense, but why am I subtracting from 90degress when
> > the angle is 76 degrees? Guess I should have paid more attention in
> > school huh?
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> Probably need a blackboard so I can draw you a picture. A miter saw makes a
> 90 degree angle with the fence. To cut a 76 degree angle on the board you
> set the saw to 14 degrees.

What most carpenters would do is hold their speed squares on the 3/12
mark, and look down and see what angle the plumb cut corresponds to.
Mathematically orientated carpenters can use a scientific calculator
and enter 3 / 12 INV TAN. Which I guess is technically the angle of
the rafter to the ceiling joist, but it is also the angle that you set
your miter saw to. Like Pat said.

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Posted by Harry K on February 29, 2008, 10:39 pm
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> > >> >I have a 3/12 pitch roof (3 inch's of rise for each 12 inch's of
> > >> > run). =A0I am installing Facia Board (1x8 pine) and my question con=
cerns
> > >> > the proper angle cut at the ridge of the roof. =A0The right angle
> > >> > triangle by definition of the 3/12 pitch has a 90degree angle at th=
e
> > >> > top plate center, a 14degree angle at the eave and a 76degree angle=
at
> > >> > the ridge (for a total of 180degrees in the right triangle)
>
> > >> > Vision a gable roof and the two right triangles would fit against e=
ach
> > >> > other and form the gable. =A0The two 76degree angles would be toget=
her
> > >> > at the ridge of the roof. =A0What would the plumb cut be in degrees=
for
> > >> > the facia board on the ridge? =A0I thought that with two 76degree a=
ngles
> > >> > combined that I would split that in half for the cut, but obviously=

> > >> > that is wrong. =A0The angle cut is not 76degrees and my miter saw
> > >> > wouldn't cut that anyway. =A0I think the angle cut may be 14degrees=
for
> > >> > each of the facia boards joining at the ridge on the two 76degree
> > >> > angles, but I don't know why I think that or how the angle is actua=
lly
> > >> > calculated.
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> > >> > Thanks for any assistance with the angle cut.
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> > >> > David
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> > >> 90 minus 76 =A0=3D 14
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> > > 14degrees makes sense, but why am I subtracting from 90degress when
> > > the angle is 76 degrees? =A0Guess I should have paid more attention in=

> > > school huh?
>
> > Probably need a blackboard so I can draw you a picture. =A0A miter saw m=
akes a
> > 90 degree angle with the fence. =A0To cut a 76 degree angle on the board=
you
> > set the saw to 14 degrees.
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> What most carpenters would do is hold their speed squares on the 3/12
> mark, and look down and see what angle the plumb cut corresponds to.
> Mathematically orientated carpenters can use a scientific calculator
> and enter 3 / 12 INV TAN. =A0 Which I guess is technically the angle of
> the rafter to the ceiling joist, but it is also the angle that you set
> your miter saw to. =A0Like Pat said.- Hide quoted text -
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> - Show quoted text -

Or use a bevel gauge to set the saw to. That's what I do and it
avoids the problem of odd angles. Been a long time since I actually
read degrees of angle on anything.

Harry K

Posted by Pat on March 1, 2008, 12:57 am

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>>> >I have a 3/12 pitch roof (3 inch's of rise for each 12 inch's of
>>> > run). I am installing Facia Board (1x8 pine) and my question concerns
>>> > the proper angle cut at the ridge of the roof. The right angle
>>> > triangle by definition of the 3/12 pitch has a 90degree angle at the
>>> > top plate center, a 14degree angle at the eave and a 76degree angle at
>>> > the ridge (for a total of 180degrees in the right triangle)
>>>
>>> > Vision a gable roof and the two right triangles would fit against each
>>> > other and form the gable. The two 76degree angles would be together
>>> > at the ridge of the roof. What would the plumb cut be in degrees for
>>> > the facia board on the ridge? I thought that with two 76degree angles
>>> > combined that I would split that in half for the cut, but obviously
>>> > that is wrong. The angle cut is not 76degrees and my miter saw
>>> > wouldn't cut that anyway. I think the angle cut may be 14degrees for
>>> > each of the facia boards joining at the ridge on the two 76degree
>>> > angles, but I don't know why I think that or how the angle is actually
>>> > calculated.
>>>
>>> > Thanks for any assistance with the angle cut.
>>>
>>> > David
>>>
>>> 90 minus 76 = 14
>>
>> 14degrees makes sense, but why am I subtracting from 90degress when
>> the angle is 76 degrees? Guess I should have paid more attention in
>> school huh?
>>
> Probably need a blackboard so I can draw you a picture. A miter saw makes
> a 90 degree angle with the fence. To cut a 76 degree angle on the board
> you set the saw to 14 degrees.
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I'll try again. Put the board on the miter saw. The angle is 76 degrees
measured from the fence. The saw is at 90 degrees. You have to move the
saw from 90 degrees to 76 degrees. So you move the saw 90 - 76 = 14
degrees.



Posted by Harry K on March 1, 2008, 10:30 am
On Feb 29, 5:42=A0pm, dkee...@bellsouth.net wrote:
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> > >I have a 3/12 pitch roof (3 inch's of rise for each 12 inch's of
> > > run). =A0I am installing Facia Board (1x8 pine) and my question concer=
ns
> > > the proper angle cut at the ridge of the roof. =A0The right angle
> > > triangle by definition of the 3/12 pitch has a 90degree angle at the
> > > top plate center, a 14degree angle at the eave and a 76degree angle at=

> > > the ridge (for a total of 180degrees in the right triangle)
>
> > > Vision a gable roof and the two right triangles would fit against each=

> > > other and form the gable. =A0The two 76degree angles would be together=

> > > at the ridge of the roof. =A0What would the plumb cut be in degrees fo=
r
> > > the facia board on the ridge? =A0I thought that with two 76degree angl=
es
> > > combined that I would split that in half for the cut, but obviously
> > > that is wrong. =A0The angle cut is not 76degrees and my miter saw
> > > wouldn't cut that anyway. =A0I think the angle cut may be 14degrees fo=
r
> > > each of the facia boards joining at the ridge on the two 76degree
> > > angles, but I don't know why I think that or how the angle is actually=

> > > calculated.
>
> > > Thanks for any assistance with the angle cut.
>
> > > David
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> > 90 minus 76 =A0=3D 14
>
> 14degrees makes sense, but why am I subtracting from 90degress when
> the angle is 76 degrees? =A0Guess I should have paid more attention in
> school huh?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Because the angle at the ridge is 14 degrees, not 76. Eyeball the cut
that will be needed. It is clearly way less than 90. The only 76
degree cut on your roof will be the the birdsmouth cut to sit flat on
top of the plate.

Be sure to cut two short trial pieces and try the fit. With a 1x8
just a minor error on saw set or when they made their pattern rafter
will result in a noticeable gap.

Harry K

Harry K

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