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Posted by Robert11 on August 7, 2005, 11:44 am
Hello:
Anyone happen to know if there are any U.S. distributors for Schneider
Electric of Canada ?
Apparently they manufacture brand new replacement Stab-Lok circuit breakers
for old FPE panels.
There seem to be several places in the U.S. offering re-manufactured, or
reconditioned breakers, but only Schneider seems to still make brand new
replacement ones.
Tried Google, but couldn't come up with any.
Thanks,
B.
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Posted by Tony Hwang on August 7, 2005, 4:15 pm
Robert11 wrote:
> Hello:
>
> Anyone happen to know if there are any U.S. distributors for Schneider
> Electric of Canada ?
>
> Apparently they manufacture brand new replacement Stab-Lok circuit breakers
> for old FPE panels.
>
> There seem to be several places in the U.S. offering re-manufactured, or
> reconditioned breakers, but only Schneider seems to still make brand new
> replacement ones.
>
> Tried Google, but couldn't come up with any.
>
> Thanks,
> B.
>
>
Hi,
Ask the question at alt.home.repair.
Tony
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Posted by Jake on August 7, 2005, 5:21 pm
Robert11 wrote:
> Hello:
>
> Anyone happen to know if there are any U.S. distributors for Schneider
> Electric of Canada ?
>
> Apparently they manufacture brand new replacement Stab-Lok circuit breakers
> for old FPE panels.
>
> There seem to be several places in the U.S. offering re-manufactured, or
> reconditioned breakers, but only Schneider seems to still make brand new
> replacement ones.
>
> Tried Google, but couldn't come up with any.
>
> Thanks,
> B.
>
>
Robert,
FPE panels became known fire hazards (still being debated in some
environs) because of their tendency for failure to open after a few
trips. This was particularly true in double pole breakers.
Look at this site, which probably contains more information than you'd
ever want to know on the subject:
http://www.inspect-ny.com/fpe/fpepanel.htm
I *thought* Siemens now owned the Federal line, and had heard that new
parts were still available up to several years ago. Most people just
replace the aging and suspect panels with a more reliable design.
Schneider Electric is the parent company of Square D, so perhaps a
Square D distributor could help you further.
Jake
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Posted by on August 8, 2005, 11:57 am
I think the answer is no. They are only sold in Canada. Sometimes you
can get them off eBay. I have one in my panel. I think they are
perfectly fine. I know someone always posts how they are supposedly a
fire hazard, but if you read the documents, it's only the double pole
breakers that don't trip properly. I have one of these panels, and
I've tested every breaker on it, and mine works fine.
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Posted by Bud on August 9, 2005, 5:31 pm
scott21230@gmail.com wrote:
> I think the answer is no. They are only sold in Canada. Sometimes you
> can get them off eBay. I have one in my panel. I think they are
> perfectly fine. I know someone always posts how they are supposedly a
> fire hazard, but if you read the documents, it's only the double pole
> breakers that don't trip properly.
If you read the "documents" the single pole breakers tend not to trip at
135% of load, the bus connections can fail, the breakers may not be
retained by the bus (may come loose), and other problems. FPE
fraudulently supplied information to UL and UL wound up delisting most
of the FPE line. Reliance Electric bought FPE and discovered the
problems; they sued the seller of FPE and setteled for about 43 million
dollars to cover liability. I believe there is currently a class action
law suit in New Jersey.
See the site in another post
http://www.inspect-ny.com/fpe/fpepanel.htm - this site links to a
lot of information
Some sites linked to by the site above that are of particular interest:
http://www.inspect-ny.com/fpe/fpestlouis.htm - the report of tests done
on breakers and reported to an association of home inspectors - also
includes information on bus failures
http://www.codecheck.com/pdf/electrical/240overcurrent/FPE%20Article%20f
rom%20DH%20-%20Nov2003.pdf - a lot of info
http://www.inspect-ny.com/fpe/fpe.html - the long version of the first
site without the links.
I have one of these panels, and
> I've tested every breaker on it, and mine works fine.
>
How do you test them? Apply an over current and test for appropriate
trip time? Look at the bus connections to see if any are failing? I
doubt a homeowner has the equipment ot test the breakers or knowledge to
inspect.
Bud--
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