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Any concrete experts? (Different Q) Al Bundy 09-16-2006
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Posted by Al Bundy on September 16, 2006, 10:36 pm

The other day I noticed a small hole (2" maybe) right in the middle of the
concrete driveway. Concrete around it is in good shape. Funny though.
Concrete appears to be somewhat thin because dirt appears to be where the
hole is. Maybe piss-poor high spot when originally done many many years
ago.

I know I need to do something because the surface water when it rains is
gonna make it get bigger at an accelerated rate now. Why the hole appears
is another separate issue of course.

Should I dig out dirt with like a screwdriver down a few inches and fill it
with concrete? I know concrete would be better but what about mortar mix. I
have a partial bag of that laying around. Could toss in some small stones.

Yea I know. I could start digging out those few inches and find there is a
bottom of the iceberg hole underneath. I'll have to tap around the hole to
see what it sounds like.

Posted by Rueben Konic on September 16, 2006, 10:47 pm

"Al Bundy" wrote
>
> The other day I noticed a small hole (2" maybe) right in the middle of
> the
> concrete driveway. Concrete around it is in good shape. Funny though.
> Concrete appears to be somewhat thin because dirt appears to be where the
> hole is. Maybe piss-poor high spot when originally done many many years
> ago.
>
> I know I need to do something because the surface water when it rains is
> gonna make it get bigger at an accelerated rate now. Why the hole appears
> is another separate issue of course.
>
> Should I dig out dirt with like a screwdriver down a few inches and fill
> it
> with concrete? I know concrete would be better but what about mortar mix.
> I
> have a partial bag of that laying around. Could toss in some small
> stones.
>
> Yea I know. I could start digging out those few inches and find there is
> a
> bottom of the iceberg hole underneath. I'll have to tap around the hole
> to
> see what it sounds like.

It sounds as if, it was a grade stake, which wasn't pounded down before
screeding, though some pound it down after screeding. You probably had a
thin layer of concrete over top, the stake rotted, and the thin layer
busted apart leaving a hole.

To fix it, you'll have to get other advice.



Posted by Bob on September 17, 2006, 12:34 am

Al Bundy wrote:
> The other day I noticed a small hole (2" maybe) right in the middle of the
> concrete driveway. Concrete around it is in good shape. Funny though.
> Concrete appears to be somewhat thin because dirt appears to be where the
> hole is. Maybe piss-poor high spot when originally done many many years
> ago.
>
> I know I need to do something because the surface water when it rains is
> gonna make it get bigger at an accelerated rate now. Why the hole appears
> is another separate issue of course.
>
> Should I dig out dirt with like a screwdriver down a few inches and fill it
> with concrete? I know concrete would be better but what about mortar mix. I
> have a partial bag of that laying around. Could toss in some small stones.
>
> Yea I know. I could start digging out those few inches and find there is a
> bottom of the iceberg hole underneath. I'll have to tap around the hole to
> see what it sounds like.

Probably a bubble in the concrete when they poured it. I have one in my
sidewalk that's been there for 20 years and it has never gotten bigger.
If you live where you have winter freezing, I'd be concerned with water
getting in the hole, freezing, & cracking the concrete. I'd fill it
with anything to keep the water out & forget it.


Posted by nowforsale on September 17, 2006, 8:30 am
> Should I dig out dirt with like a screwdriver down a few inches and fill
> it
> with concrete? I know concrete would be better but what about mortar mix.
> I
> have a partial bag of that laying around. Could toss in some small stones.
>
> Yea I know. I could start digging out those few inches and find there is a
> bottom of the iceberg hole underneath. I'll have to tap around the hole to
> see what it sounds like.

mortar mix, with out without small stones tossed in, or concrete should
work, you might want to undercut around the edge of the hole a little so
when you patch the hole it will stay in place better

for illustration:

hole undercut hole not undercut
------ ------- -------- --------
/ \ | |
/ \ | |
/ \ | |
------------ ------



Posted by Al Bundy on September 17, 2006, 8:11 pm

>> Should I dig out dirt with like a screwdriver down a few inches and
>> fill it
>> with concrete? I know concrete would be better but what about mortar
>> mix. I
>> have a partial bag of that laying around. Could toss in some small
>> stones.
>>
>> Yea I know. I could start digging out those few inches and find there
>> is a bottom of the iceberg hole underneath. I'll have to tap around
>> the hole to see what it sounds like.
>
> mortar mix, with out without small stones tossed in, or concrete
> should work, you might want to undercut around the edge of the hole a
> little so when you patch the hole it will stay in place better
>
> for illustration:
>
> hole undercut hole not undercut
> ------ ------- -------- --------
> / \ | |
> / \ | |
> / \ | |
> ------------ ------
>
>


Thanks for the reply and Steven Spielberg graphics:-)

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