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Any experience here with solar panels or windmills? Thomas G. Marshall 06-05-2008
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Posted by George on June 5, 2008, 9:14 pm
salty@dog.com wrote:
wrote:
>
>>
>>> I've been interested in potentially going a smidgeon more green, and was
>>> wondering if anyone here has any experience with solar panels (water
>>> warming, or even photo voltaic), and/or windmills.
>>>
>>> The research online does not compare to useful observations from people
>>> who have actually installed them.
>> I have experience, but not as an installer. I use solar to heat a swimming
>> pool and will soon add two more panels to heat hot water for the house.
>>
>> One must look at a lot of factors. I did it because I believe that we must
>> strive to use more renewable energy sources. I did not do it because it
>> promised any monetary savings (it was not economically viable in my case).
>> I think if lots of ordinary folks do what they can, the total impact will be
>> significant.
>>
>> As to the other posts about carbon energy credits and Mr. Gore (hypocrite!)
>> ... sigh!
>>
>
> Hypocrite?
>
> http://www.truthandprogress.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=383

Absolutely, he lives in a 10,000 square foot piggy "house" and consumes
20 times the national average of electricity. Putting a couple solar
panels on the roof doesn't mean he isn't a hypocrite.

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Posted by on June 5, 2008, 10:09 pm

>salty@dog.com wrote:
wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>> I've been interested in potentially going a smidgeon more green, and was
>>>> wondering if anyone here has any experience with solar panels (water
>>>> warming, or even photo voltaic), and/or windmills.
>>>>
>>>> The research online does not compare to useful observations from people
>>>> who have actually installed them.
>>> I have experience, but not as an installer. I use solar to heat a swimming
>>> pool and will soon add two more panels to heat hot water for the house.
>>>
>>> One must look at a lot of factors. I did it because I believe that we must
>>> strive to use more renewable energy sources. I did not do it because it
>>> promised any monetary savings (it was not economically viable in my case).
>>> I think if lots of ordinary folks do what they can, the total impact will be
>>> significant.
>>>
>>> As to the other posts about carbon energy credits and Mr. Gore (hypocrite!)
>>> ... sigh!
>>>
>>
>> Hypocrite?
>>
>> http://www.truthandprogress.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=383
>
>Absolutely, he lives in a 10,000 square foot piggy "house" and consumes
>20 times the national average of electricity. Putting a couple solar
>panels on the roof doesn't mean he isn't a hypocrite.

Your information was not only wrong when it was first touted, but it's even
further from the truth now.



Posted by on June 6, 2008, 5:14 am
On Jun 5, 10:09=A0pm, sa...@dog.com wrote:
> >sa...@dog.com wrote:
> >> On Thu, 5 Jun 2008 18:30:15 -0400, "Charles" <charlesschu...@comcast.ne=
t> wrote:
>
> >>> "Thomas G. Marshall" <tgm2tothe10thpo...@replacetextwithnumber.hotmail=
.com>
> >>>> I've been interested in potentially going a smidgeon more green, and =
was
> >>>> wondering if anyone here has any experience with solar panels (water
> >>>> warming, or even photo voltaic), and/or windmills.
>
> >>>> The research online does not compare to useful observations from peop=
le
> >>>> who have actually installed them.
> >>> I have experience, but not as an installer. =A0I use solar to heat a s=
wimming
> >>> pool and will soon add two more panels to heat hot water for the house=
.
>
> >>> One must look at a lot of factors. =A0I did it because I believe that =
we must
> >>> strive to use more renewable energy sources. =A0I did not do it becaus=
e it
> >>> promised any monetary savings (it was not economically viable in my ca=
se).
> >>> I think if lots of ordinary folks do what they can, the total impact w=
ill be
> >>> significant.
>
> >>> As to the other posts about carbon energy credits and Mr. Gore (hypocr=
ite!)
> >>> ... sigh!
>
> >> Hypocrite?
>
> >>http://www.truthandprogress.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=3D383
>
> >Absolutely, he lives in a 10,000 square foot piggy "house" and consumes
> >20 times the national average of electricity. Putting a couple solar
> >panels on the roof doesn't mean he isn't a hypocrite.
>
> Your information was not only wrong when it was first touted, but it's eve=
n
> further from the truth now.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -


Yes, Al Gore is a hypocrite. He's only installed his solar panels
very recently and that was after a year ago, when people publicly
exposed his huge energy bills in his over size mansion. He'd been
living with a utility bill of $30K a year, $500 a month just to heat
his swimming pool, while running around telling the rest of us we're
destroying the planet.

He still lives in a huge mansion and has at least one other home as
well. He regularly flies around in private jets. Yet, his His
movie "An Inconvenient Truth" asks "Are you ready to change the way
you live?"

If that isn't a hypocrite, I don;t know what is.

Posted by Bob F on June 6, 2008, 1:02 pm

Yes, Al Gore is a hypocrite. He's only installed his solar panels
very recently and that was after a year ago, when people publicly
exposed his huge energy bills in his over size mansion.

And he's been fighting the community for the right to install them all that
time.



Posted by on June 6, 2008, 1:23 pm
wrote:

>
>Yes, Al Gore is a hypocrite. He's only installed his solar panels
>very recently and that was after a year ago, when people publicly
>exposed his huge energy bills in his over size mansion.
>
>And he's been fighting the community for the right to install them all that
>time.
>


I didn't see Trader4's idiotic post because I filter all googlegroup
tyros and spammers. I won't see his reply to this post unless it is
quoted in a reply to him by someone who uses a real usenet server.

Gore installed the solar panels over a year ago, and before that, as
you said, he had a long battle with his community over being allowed
to install them. It was the local right-wing loonies like Trader4 and
George that prevented him from doing it a long time ago. They also
don't seem to understand that his "house" is more a business location
than a residence. That's why it is so big and uses more energy than
trader4's doublewide.



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