Any experience here with solar panels or windmills?

Putting a couple panels on a piggy 10,000 square foot "house" doesn't
change anything. Putting panels on a normal sized efficient house
certainly would. This is algore after all who is telling us what we
should all do. In fact it is no different than a drug addict lecturing
us about the evils of drugs while continuing to push stuff up his nose.

Posted by on June 6, 2008, 8:38 am

wrote:

>salty@dog.com wrote:

>>> salty@dog.com wrote:

wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> "Thomas G. Marshall"

>>>>>> I've been interested in potentially going a smidgeon more green, and was

>>>>>> wondering if anyone here has any experience with solar panels (water

>>>>>> warming, or even photo voltaic), and/or windmills.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> The research online does not compare to useful observations from people

>>>>>> who have actually installed them.

>>>>> I have experience, but not as an installer. I use solar to heat a
swimming
>>>>> pool and will soon add two more panels to heat hot water for the house.

>>>>>

>>>>> One must look at a lot of factors. I did it because I believe that we
must
>>>>> strive to use more renewable energy sources. I did not do it because it

>>>>> promised any monetary savings (it was not economically viable in my case).

>>>>> I think if lots of ordinary folks do what they can, the total impact will
be
>>>>> significant.

>>>>>

>>>>> As to the other posts about carbon energy credits and Mr. Gore
(hypocrite!)
>>>>> ... sigh!

>>>>>

>>>> Hypocrite?

>>>>

>>>> http://www.truthandprogress.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=383

>>> Absolutely, he lives in a 10,000 square foot piggy "house" and consumes

>>> 20 times the national average of electricity. Putting a couple solar

>>> panels on the roof doesn't mean he isn't a hypocrite.

>>

>> Your information was not only wrong when it was first touted, but it's even

>> further from the truth now.

>>

>>

>Putting a couple panels on a piggy 10,000 square foot "house" doesn't

>change anything. Putting panels on a normal sized efficient house

>certainly would. This is algore after all who is telling us what we

>should all do. In fact it is no different than a drug addict lecturing

>us about the evils of drugs while continuing to push stuff up his nose.

His house is actually mostly used for office space, just like any
other 10,000 square foot office building. I'm not talking a spare
bedroom used as a home office. This office has a staff or employees.
And he didn't "just put a couple of panels on the roof", nitwit. In
fact, he would have covered his roof with panels sooner, but local
codes prevented it. The house is also using geo-thermal, and many
other measures to save energy. This work was completed well over a
year ago.

Too bad you couldn't install a couple of "panels" on top of your head
that would improve your meager brain power.

Posted by on June 6, 2008, 10:05 am

On Jun 6, 8:38=A0am, sa...@dog.com wrote:

> wrote:

> >sa...@dog.com wrote:

> >>> sa...@dog.com wrote:

> >>>> On Thu, 5 Jun 2008 18:30:15 -0400, "Charles" <charlesschu...@comcast.=

net> wrote:

> >>>>> "Thomas G. Marshall" <tgm2tothe10thpo...@replacetextwithnumber.hotma=

il.com>

> >>>>>> I've been interested in potentially going a smidgeon more green, an=

d was

> >>>>>> wondering if anyone here has any experience with solar panels (wate=

> >>>>>> warming, or even photo voltaic), and/or windmills.

> >>>>>> The research online does not compare to useful observations from pe=

ople

> >>>>>> who have actually installed them.

> >>>>> I have experience, but not as an installer. =A0I use solar to heat a=

swimming

> >>>>> pool and will soon add two more panels to heat hot water for the hou=

se.

> >>>>> One must look at a lot of factors. =A0I did it because I believe tha=

t we must

> >>>>> strive to use more renewable energy sources. =A0I did not do it beca=

use it

> >>>>> promised any monetary savings (it was not economically viable in my =

case).

> >>>>> I think if lots of ordinary folks do what they can, the total impact=

will be

> >>>>> significant.

> >>>>> As to the other posts about carbon energy credits and Mr. Gore (hypo=

crite!)

> >>>>> ... sigh!

> >>>> Hypocrite?

> >>>>http://www.truthandprogress.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=3D383

> >>> Absolutely, he lives in a 10,000 square foot piggy "house" and consume=

> >>> 20 times the national average of electricity. Putting a couple solar

> >>> panels on the roof doesn't mean he isn't a hypocrite.

> >> Your information was not only wrong when it was first touted, but it's =

even

> >> further from the truth now.

> >Putting a couple panels on a piggy 10,000 square foot "house" doesn't

> >change anything. Putting panels on a normal sized efficient house

> >certainly would. This is algore after all who is telling us what we

> >should all do. In fact it is no different than a drug addict lecturing

> >us about the evils of drugs while continuing to push stuff up his nose.

> His house is actually mostly used for office space, just like any

> other 10,000 square foot office building. I'm not talking a spare

> bedroom used as a home office. This office has a staff or employees.

> And he didn't "just put a couple of panels on the roof", nitwit. In

> fact, he would have covered his roof with panels sooner, but local

> codes prevented it. The house is also using geo-thermal, and many

> other measures to save energy. This work was completed well over a

> year ago.

Yes, they started installing it a year ago, right after he was exposed
in the media as a big hypocrite. Prior to that, his energy bill was
$30K a year. That;s right $30K/ a year. He had the time to make the
movie Inconvenient Truth, where he asked "Are you ready to change the
way you live?", but apparently no interest himself that he was using
15 times the energy of a typical home. BTW, $6K of that was for the
pool. Does every office building typically have one of those too?

I'd like to see a credible reference for his house being mostly office
space. Does that meet the zoning? When he got hammered early last
year, I never heard any such defense offered.

Add to that the guy regularly flies around by private jet, and yes,
you have one big hypocrite!

> Too bad you couldn't install a couple of "panels" on top of your head

> that would improve your meager brain power.- Hide quoted text -

> - Show quoted text -

Posted by on June 6, 2008, 5:05 pm

On Jun 6, 10:05=A0am, trad...@optonline.net wrote:

> On Jun 6, 8:38=A0am, sa...@dog.com wrote:

> > wrote:

> > >sa...@dog.com wrote:

ote:

> > >>> sa...@dog.com wrote:

> > >>>> On Thu, 5 Jun 2008 18:30:15 -0400, "Charles" <charlesschu...@comcas=

t.net> wrote:

> > >>>>> "Thomas G. Marshall" <tgm2tothe10thpo...@replacetextwithnumber.hot=

mail.com>

> > >>>>>> I've been interested in potentially going a smidgeon more green, =

and was

> > >>>>>> wondering if anyone here has any experience with solar panels (wa=

ter

> > >>>>>> warming, or even photo voltaic), and/or windmills.

> > >>>>>> The research online does not compare to useful observations from =

people

> > >>>>>> who have actually installed them.

> > >>>>> I have experience, but not as an installer. =A0I use solar to heat=

a swimming

> > >>>>> pool and will soon add two more panels to heat hot water for the h=

ouse.

> > >>>>> One must look at a lot of factors. =A0I did it because I believe t=

hat we must

> > >>>>> strive to use more renewable energy sources. =A0I did not do it be=

cause it

> > >>>>> promised any monetary savings (it was not economically viable in m=

y case).

> > >>>>> I think if lots of ordinary folks do what they can, the total impa=

ct will be

> > >>>>> significant.

> > >>>>> As to the other posts about carbon energy credits and Mr. Gore (hy=

pocrite!)

> > >>>>> ... sigh!

> > >>>> Hypocrite?

> > >>>>http://www.truthandprogress.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=3D383

> > >>> Absolutely, he lives in a 10,000 square foot piggy "house" and consu=

mes

> > >>> 20 times the national average of electricity. Putting a couple solar=

> > >>> panels on the roof doesn't mean he isn't a hypocrite.

> > >> Your information was not only wrong when it was first touted, but it'=

s even

> > >> further from the truth now.

> > >Putting a couple panels on a piggy 10,000 square foot "house" doesn't

> > >change anything. Putting panels on a normal sized efficient house

> > >certainly would. This is algore after all who is telling us what we

> > >should all do. In fact it is no different than a drug addict lecturing

> > >us about the evils of drugs while continuing to push stuff up his nose.=

> > His house is actually mostly used for office space, just like any

> > other 10,000 square foot office building. I'm not talking a spare

> > bedroom used as a home office. This office has a staff or employees.

> > And he didn't "just put a couple of panels on the roof", nitwit. In

> > fact, he would have covered his roof with panels sooner, but local

> > codes prevented it. The house is also using geo-thermal, and many

> > other measures to save energy. This work was completed well over a

> > year ago.

> Yes, they started installing it a year ago, right after he was exposed

> in the media as a big hypocrite. =A0 Prior to that, his energy bill was

> $30K a year. =A0That;s right $30K/ a year. =A0 He had the time to make the=

> movie Inconvenient Truth, where he asked "Are you ready to change the

> way you live?", but apparently no interest himself that he was using

> 15 times the energy of a typical home. =A0 BTW, $6K of that was for the

> pool. =A0 Does every office building typically have one of those too?

> I'd like to see a credible reference for his house being mostly office

> space. =A0 Does that meet the zoning? =A0When he got hammered early last

> year, I never heard any such defense offered.

> Add to that the guy regularly flies around by private jet, and yes,

> you have one big hypocrite!

> > Too bad you couldn't install a couple of "panels" on top of your head

> > that would improve your meager brain power.- Hide quoted text -

> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

> - Show quoted text -

I'm still waiting for the reference to support the claims that:

1 - Al Gore's office TN home of 10,000 square feet is mostly office
space. I can just see that. The guy builds a big house and instead
of it being for him to live in, it's an office park for worker
bees. I don't buy it.

2 - That Al Gore had wanted to use solar for years, but was prevented
from doing it by neighbors, the community, etc. All the evidence I
have seen doesn't mention any interest, permit applications, etc. He
only started to get interested in doing something when he was exposed
by the medai, like the below USA piece which does a pretty good job.
Note that he has THREE homes, and nowhere is there any mention of
"office space."

I did find plenty to support that he is an energy hog and hypocrite
thought:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/2006-08-09-gore-green_x.htm

"Public records reveal that as Gore lectures Americans on excessive
consumption, he and his wife Tipper live in two properties: a 10,000-
square-foot, 20-room, eight-bathroom home in Nashville, and a 4,000-
square-foot home in Arlington, Va. (He also has a third home in
Carthage, Tenn.) For someone rallying the planet to pursue a path of
extreme personal sacrifice, Gore requires little from himself.

Then there is the troubling matter of his energy use. In the
Washington, D.C., area, utility companies offer wind energy as an
alternative to traditional energy. In Nashville, similar programs
exist. Utility customers must simply pay a few extra pennies per
kilowatt hour, and they can continue living their carbon-neutral
lifestyles knowing that they are supporting wind energy. Plenty of
businesses and institutions have signed up. Even the Bush
administration is using green energy for some federal office
buildings, as are thousands of area residents.

But according to public records, there is no evidence that Gore has
signed up to use green energy in either of his large residences. When
contacted Wednesday, Gore's office confirmed as much but said the
Gores were looking into making the switch at both homes. Talk about
inconvenient truths. "

Posted by tmurf.1@juno.com on June 6, 2008, 9:47 pm