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Arc Fault Breakers For Wall Outlets Robert11 05-05-2008
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Posted by Robert11 on May 5, 2008, 9:13 am
Hello,

I know they have arc-fault circuit breakers that will replace a typical
breaker in a Load Center for a residence.

But I have read that there are recently available ones to replace the
regular wall outlets.
Also, apparently, combination arc-fault and GFCI's for wall outlets.

Have searched Google and the others, but can't seem to find any offerings.

Anyone know who offers, and perhaps the Link to ?

Thanks,
Bob



Posted by N8N on May 5, 2008, 9:19 am
> Hello,
>
> I know they have arc-fault circuit breakers that will replace a typical
> breaker in a Load Center for a residence.
>
> But I have read that there are recently available ones to replace the
> regular wall outlets.
> Also, apparently, combination arc-fault and GFCI's for wall outlets.
>
> Have searched Google and the others, but can't seem to find any offerings.=

>
> Anyone know who offers, and perhaps the Link to ?
>
> Thanks,
> Bob

just curious, why are you looking for them? Having had to stuff some
GFCI receptacles into old single gang boxes I think I would prefer
simply replacing the breaker.

nate

Posted by on May 5, 2008, 10:00 am
wrote:

>> Hello,
>>
>> I know they have arc-fault circuit breakers that will replace a typical
>> breaker in a Load Center for a residence.
>>
>> But I have read that there are recently available ones to replace the
>> regular wall outlets.
>> Also, apparently, combination arc-fault and GFCI's for wall outlets.
>>
>> Have searched Google and the others, but can't seem to find any offerings.
>>
>> Anyone know who offers, and perhaps the Link to ?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Bob
>
>just curious, why are you looking for them? Having had to stuff some
>GFCI receptacles into old single gang boxes I think I would prefer
>simply replacing the breaker.
>
>nate

These were first recognized in the code in 2005 with an additional
requirement that the device be within 6' of the panel and fed with a
metalic raceway or metal armored cable.
The intent is to have a way of installing AFCIs on a circuit fed from
a fuse panel or a panel too old to have AFCIs available.

Posted by RBM on May 5, 2008, 4:32 pm

> wrote:
>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I know they have arc-fault circuit breakers that will replace a typical
>>> breaker in a Load Center for a residence.
>>>
>>> But I have read that there are recently available ones to replace the
>>> regular wall outlets.
>>> Also, apparently, combination arc-fault and GFCI's for wall outlets.
>>>
>>> Have searched Google and the others, but can't seem to find any
>>> offerings.
>>>
>>> Anyone know who offers, and perhaps the Link to ?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Bob
>>
>>just curious, why are you looking for them? Having had to stuff some
>>GFCI receptacles into old single gang boxes I think I would prefer
>>simply replacing the breaker.
>>
>>nate
>
> These were first recognized in the code in 2005 with an additional
> requirement that the device be within 6' of the panel and fed with a
> metalic raceway or metal armored cable.
> The intent is to have a way of installing AFCIs on a circuit fed from
> a fuse panel or a panel too old to have AFCIs available.

I don't see a 6' rule in the 08 code, other than for flexible metal conduit.
I think the idea of steel cable or metal conduit is just to give added
protection prior to the protecting AFCI, which will be required almost
everywhere. I haven't researched the new code yet, but it would also appear
that you could run a multiwire branch circuit to a location, then split two
AFCI circuits off of it, although all multiwire circuits will require double
pole breakers



Posted by bud-- on May 6, 2008, 2:38 pm
RBM wrote:
>> wrote:
>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> I know they have arc-fault circuit breakers that will replace a typical
>>>> breaker in a Load Center for a residence.
>>>>
>>>> But I have read that there are recently available ones to replace the
>>>> regular wall outlets.
>>>> Also, apparently, combination arc-fault and GFCI's for wall outlets.
>>>>
>>>> Have searched Google and the others, but can't seem to find any
>>>> offerings.
>>>>
>>>> Anyone know who offers, and perhaps the Link to ?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Bob
>>> just curious, why are you looking for them? Having had to stuff some
>>> GFCI receptacles into old single gang boxes I think I would prefer
>>> simply replacing the breaker.
>>>
>>> nate
>> These were first recognized in the code in 2005 with an additional
>> requirement that the device be within 6' of the panel and fed with a
>> metalic raceway or metal armored cable.
>> The intent is to have a way of installing AFCIs on a circuit fed from
>> a fuse panel or a panel too old to have AFCIs available.
>
> I don't see a 6' rule in the 08 code, other than for flexible metal conduit.
> I think the idea of steel cable or metal conduit is just to give added
> protection prior to the protecting AFCI, which will be required almost
> everywhere.

You can run some metal raceways to the 1st (AFCI) outlet in a metal box.
It apparently doesn't have to be max 6' from the panel anymore.

I still haven't looked carefully at "where". My impression is AFCI are
required about everywhere a GFCI isn't.

> I haven't researched the new code yet, but it would also appear
> that you could run a multiwire branch circuit to a location, then split two
> AFCI circuits off of it, although all multiwire circuits will require double
> pole breakers

The double pole breaker would have to be AFCI (which may be what you
intended) unless the multiwire is in raceway as above. The intent is to
protect the whole branch circuit.

----
There is a fine-print-note for smoke alarms - I believe hard wired smoke
alarms on AFCI circuits are required to have battery backup.

--
bud--

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