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Posted by on February 10, 2005, 11:54 am
On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 23:39:08 -0500, "NoSpamFANatic"
>Because they have deminished/questionable value and most new homes in canada
>only have one arc fault circuit which protects the bedrooms due to high
>levels of combustable contents (ie clothing).
I think it's not the combustable contents that warrent the need, since
my basement grossly beats out most of all my bedrooms. :-P
But your later comment about paranoia, might be very accruate why the
bedrooms and no where else. But I have a funny feeling that they are
the rooms we spend 1/3 of our lives in and have no heavy switchable
loads like the kitchen or bathrooms. So limiations on the breaker's
false positives might cause the oppsite thinking, not to be required
in all bedrooms, but to be requered in all rooms, but limited to only
bedrooms. That make sense?
>FYI cutler hammer has been producingnothing but residential arc fault type
>of breakers for 20 years and where did it get them? Nowhere.
>I would suspect that the number of bedroom fires caused by arc faulting in
>the entire world amounts to a handfull a year. This is marketing based on
>paranoia, not need.
Not saying you are wrong about the afci's effectivness, but the
'handful' is very questionable. I've seen insurance agencies come up
with many, many fires that were electrical in origin. Now how many
were from overloaded circuits, verse damaged conductors arcing, I
haven't found a reliable source for that. But..... If you can spend
120 bucks on these breakers, and you later find one saved your house
from going up in flames, pretty cheap cost for saving your house.
Side note: I replaced all my 10 year old ac wired smoke detectors with
new ones, and battery backup versions. No one told me to do so, but
from what I know, it was a good thing. Was it worth the money? I
hope to never find out. Just like if I retro my house with afci's.
BTW, thanks for your reply, more information I get, better decision I
can make with the afci's.
later,
tom @ www.ChopURL.com
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >> Hello:
>> >>
>> >> Anyone replacing circuit breakers in their "older" homes
>> >> with these new arc-fault types ?
>> >>
>> >> Any problems with inadvertent tripping, etc. ?
>> >>
>> >> Any thoughts would be appreciated.
>> >>
>> >> B.
>> >
>> >arc faults are required in bedrooms only with new constuction. My home
>was
>> >made in 1999 and does not have them nor would I spend the money to put
>them
>> >in.
>> >
>>
>>
>> Can you explain why?
>>
>> I mean, my house was built in 93, and I plane in the future to replace
>> most of my bkrs with afci's. So, since I haven't committed the money
>> yet, I am still evaluating information about the breakers.
>>
>>
>> later,
>>
>>
>> tom @ www.Love-Calculators.com
>>
>>
>
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Posted by William Deans on February 10, 2005, 11:46 am
Greetings,
AFCI's reduce the chances of you and your family burning alive in a fire.
That said they are probably still not worth the extra expense. I don't
think AFCI's should be required (even in new construction) but no one asked
me. You have to draw the line somewhere.
Hope this helps,
William
> wrote:
>
> >
> >> Hello:
> >>
> >> Anyone replacing circuit breakers in their "older" homes
> >> with these new arc-fault types ?
> >>
> >> Any problems with inadvertent tripping, etc. ?
> >>
> >> Any thoughts would be appreciated.
> >>
> >> B.
> >
> >arc faults are required in bedrooms only with new constuction. My home
was
> >made in 1999 and does not have them nor would I spend the money to put
them
> >in.
> >
>
>
> Can you explain why?
>
> I mean, my house was built in 93, and I plane in the future to replace
> most of my bkrs with afci's. So, since I haven't committed the money
> yet, I am still evaluating information about the breakers.
>
>
> later,
>
>
> tom @ www.Love-Calculators.com
>
>
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Posted by on February 10, 2005, 1:08 pm
wrote:
>Greetings,
>
>AFCI's reduce the chances of you and your family burning alive in a fire.
Now everyone goes to the extreme. Having about 3 smoke detectors per
person in my house, the likely hood of buring alive is minimal.
But..... the chances of being homeless after a fire is good, and even
having to repair/replace broken water/smoke damaged items and ripped
open walls is more likely in a fire.
So, the extreme is very unlikely, even in fact based statistics, but
preventing the start of fire(fires are more commmon, than fire's with
fatalities), it seems that afci's are cheap.
Still working this out in my head, I haven't commited to it, cause
even gfci's are vastly improved today compared to when they came out.
So, maybe waiting is better.....
later,
tom @ www.URLBee.com
>That said they are probably still not worth the extra expense. I don't
>think AFCI's should be required (even in new construction) but no one asked
>me. You have to draw the line somewhere.
>
>Hope this helps,
>William
>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >> Hello:
>> >>
>> >> Anyone replacing circuit breakers in their "older" homes
>> >> with these new arc-fault types ?
>> >>
>> >> Any problems with inadvertent tripping, etc. ?
>> >>
>> >> Any thoughts would be appreciated.
>> >>
>> >> B.
>> >
>> >arc faults are required in bedrooms only with new constuction. My home
>was
>> >made in 1999 and does not have them nor would I spend the money to put
>them
>> >in.
>> >
>>
>>
>> Can you explain why?
>>
>> I mean, my house was built in 93, and I plane in the future to replace
>> most of my bkrs with afci's. So, since I haven't committed the money
>> yet, I am still evaluating information about the breakers.
>>
>>
>> later,
>>
>>
>> tom @ www.Love-Calculators.com
>>
>>
>
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Posted by Chip C on February 10, 2005, 12:38 pm
newsgroups01REMOVEME@intertainia.com wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:46:21 -0500, "William Deans"
> wrote:
>
> >Greetings,
> >
> >AFCI's reduce the chances of you and your family burning alive in a
fire.
>
> Now everyone goes to the extreme. Having about 3 smoke detectors per
> person in my house, the likely hood of buring alive is minimal.
> But..... the chances of being homeless after a fire is good, and even
> having to repair/replace broken water/smoke damaged items and ripped
> open walls is more likely in a fire.
>
>[...]
> even gfci's are vastly improved today compared to when they came out.
> So, maybe waiting is better.....
>
> later,
>
> tom @ www.URLBee.com
At least GFCIs and AFCIs don't beep at you when you make toast.
Hmmm, I'm having an idea: let's put the mandatory wired smoke alarms on
the mandatory GFCI-protected circuits. When they sound a false alarm,
you spray them with your mandatory fire extinguisher, the circuit gets
soaked and the GFCI trips. Then it's quiet and you go back to bed!
Chip C
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Posted by on February 10, 2005, 6:33 pm
>newsgroups01REMOVEME@intertainia.com wrote:
>> On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:46:21 -0500, "William Deans"
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Greetings,
>> >
>> >AFCI's reduce the chances of you and your family burning alive in a
>fire.
>>
>> Now everyone goes to the extreme. Having about 3 smoke detectors per
>> person in my house, the likely hood of buring alive is minimal.
>> But..... the chances of being homeless after a fire is good, and even
>> having to repair/replace broken water/smoke damaged items and ripped
>> open walls is more likely in a fire.
>>
>>[...]
>> even gfci's are vastly improved today compared to when they came out.
>> So, maybe waiting is better.....
>>
>> later,
>>
>> tom @ www.URLBee.com
>
>At least GFCIs and AFCIs don't beep at you when you make toast.
>
>Hmmm, I'm having an idea: let's put the mandatory wired smoke alarms on
>the mandatory GFCI-protected circuits. When they sound a false alarm,
>you spray them with your mandatory fire extinguisher, the circuit gets
>soaked and the GFCI trips. Then it's quiet and you go back to bed!
>
>Chip C
Tisk, Tisk, you know wired smoke alarms aren't to be on gfci circuits.
:-P
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