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BEWARE ZILLER ELECTRIC!! Nate 11-20-2006
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Posted by m Ransley on November 20, 2006, 3:50 pm


Same basic think happened to me I bought a 12500w unit from Loews, a
Generac, and Generac promptly fixed what was not Loews problem, my
muffler was smashed in. But Loews offered a replacement, I declined
since Generac was taking care of it.


AppliancePartsPros.com, Inc.
Posted by on November 20, 2006, 4:48 pm



Nate wrote:
> RicodJour wrote:
> > Nate wrote:
> > > I recently purchased a 16KW aluminum generator from Ziller Electric. I
> > > came home from work to meet the shipper and inspected the package...
> > > cardboard, pallet, etc all looked fine. We carefully placed the pallet
> > > in my garage and I returned to work. About a week later I decided to
> > > do an inventory in order to make plans for installation. After lifting
> > > the cardboard cover and inspecting the internals, I walk to the rear
> > > and find that the rear panel is pushed in exactly where the flex
> > > conduit is stored during shipment. Something obviously pushed on the
> > > rear of the unit and dented the panel and two of the air louvers.
> > >
> > > I called Ziller twice and left voicemail both times. After not
> > > receiving a return call, I called a third time and, upon speaking with
> > > their manager, was immediately told that "I had signed for it". I
> > > asked for a replacement or someone to come replace the panel and was
> > > basically told to take it up with the shipper. I started to get upset
> > > at this point and the manager actually started laughing at me on the
> > > phone. Nice customer service.
> > >
> > > I honestly wouldn't expect anyone to completely unpack a 500 lb
> > > generator while the shipper is sitting in the driveway but that's
> > > Ziller's stance. I'm in the process of taking this up with both my
> > > credit card company and Generac so we'll see what happens.
> >
> > You do realize that Usenet complaints such as yours often come across
> > as whining, don't you? You didn't mention whether the damage was
> > functional (didn't sound like it) or purely cosmetic. If it's purely
> > cosmetic, and it's the rear panel, are you actually financially injured
> > or are you upset that someone laughed at you?
> >
> > As far as the shipping, if you sign for something you are essentially
> > saying that you've accepted it. It is not your responsibility to worry
> > about the shipper's time schedule. Here's how it works: delivery,
> > inspect package, open package, inspect contents, sign delivery receipt.
> > If you feel that you unjustly delayed the driver, then throw the
> > driver some beer money.
> >
> > If there is a delivery and I can't fully inspect it before signing, I
> > write "Uninspected package, conditionally accepted, all rights
> > reserved", and I don't sign on the line where they want you to sign as
> > there's usually boilerplate acceptance terms there. I'll cross them
> > out and hand the receipt back to the driver. Once you've crossed the
> > thing out and signed it, it's not really his problem any more - it's
> > the company's problem. he can't write up a anew receipt, so what's he
> > going to do. Be polite at all times, it's unlikely that it's the
> > driver's fault unless you saw them drop the package at your place. If
> > he starts raising a bit of a ruckus about the non standard signature,
> > throw him some beer money.
> >
> > And stop whining on Usenet. It's unseemly.
> >
> > R
>
> Perhaps you should consider not being an arrogant ass on Usenet when
> someone is trying to prevent an unfortunate incident from happening to
> someone else. FYI, I've never seen a freight company hang around while
> an entire shipment is unpacked, uncrated, and inspected.

Lighten up. Maybe you didn't read the whole thing, eh? Seems not.

J


Posted by =?iso-8859-15?Q?Tekkie=AE?= on November 20, 2006, 6:47 pm


Nate posted for all of us...

>
> Perhaps you should consider not being an arrogant ass on Usenet when
> someone is trying to prevent an unfortunate incident from happening to
> someone else. FYI, I've never seen a freight company hang around while
> an entire shipment is unpacked, uncrated, and inspected.
>
You are a fundy dufus.
--
Tekkie Don't bother to thank me, I do this as a public service.

Posted by no spam on November 22, 2006, 10:44 am


> Perhaps you should consider not being an arrogant ass on Usenet when
> someone is trying to prevent an unfortunate incident from happening to
> someone else. FYI, I've never seen a freight company hang around while
> an entire shipment is unpacked, uncrated, and inspected.


I have, they tend to "hang around" until you sign for what ever they are
shipping. You might have one upset driver but if you explain to him you are
just trying to protect yourself he'll usually understand.



Posted by Charlie Morgan on November 22, 2006, 11:01 am



>> Perhaps you should consider not being an arrogant ass on Usenet when
>> someone is trying to prevent an unfortunate incident from happening to
>> someone else. FYI, I've never seen a freight company hang around while
>> an entire shipment is unpacked, uncrated, and inspected.
>
>
>I have, they tend to "hang around" until you sign for what ever they are
>shipping. You might have one upset driver but if you explain to him you are
>just trying to protect yourself he'll usually understand.
>

I think it's fair to make them wait around if the shipment looks like
it's been obviously damaged from the outside. I don't think they are
reasonably obligated to hang around while you check the contents if
the outer package appears okay.

That's why the "concealed damage" clause exists. Concealed damage,
even if discovered while the shipper is standing there, will usually
require an inspector to determine whether the damage is due to poor
packing, or severe handling. Waiting 3 weeks to open the shipment,
however, is nothing short of stupid.

CWM

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