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Basement Insulation Mice -- Help Woodchuck34 09-11-2007
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Posted by Woodchuck34 on September 11, 2007, 9:46 am
We moved into a 14 year old house 1 year ago and I have been crossing
items off the honey-do list at a good pace. Last week, SWMBO asked me
to look at the basement insulation, which we knew had some mice
issues. The house had sat dorment for about 6 months before we bought
it (no one crazy enough to do all this work), so the mice had free
reign. As I started pulling down the fiberglass bats, the fecal
matter kept raining down. Ultimately, I ripped all of the insulation
down and still feel that it was the right decision due to the amount
of droppings.

I have been researching the insulation options and need help. Our
intention is to finish the basement into a playroom for the kids in
the near future. I do not want to have to repeat the expense/time of
ripping down insulation and cleaning the mess again. Right now I'm
leaning towards gluing rigid foam board insulation inbetween the
ceiling rafters and either screwing/gluing (or both) a layer of
drywall directly to the insulation for fire safety issues. The
drawbacks of the rigid foam as I understand it are that is not as safe
in a fire as fiberglass and its more expensive, but I don't want to
create another mouse highway in my basement with fiberglass bats.

My questions are these:

1. Is the rigid foam and the method I'm considering even going to keep
the mice out (at least in between the subfloor and the insulation)?
If not it not worth the expense.

2. If #1 is yes, is attaching a layer of drywall an adequate fire
retardent (SWMBO is big on fire safety)

3. If I use this method and eventually finish the basement; I will be
installing a drywall ceiling. Is it acceptable to then install a
drywall ceiling to the rafters (since I will essentially be installing
a second layer of drywall).



Here are the other considerations:

-Poured concrete foundation approx 8.5'
-the plan is to finish the basement, but not necessarily constantly
heat it, rather just heat it when its being used (I mention this
because I've read that it isn't even as important to insulate under
the 1st floor, but might be better to spend the money insulating the
basement walls instead)
-we've had an extreminator on contract since the dog "gave" SWMBO a
mouse in the old house. They have put out poison and are coming
tomorrow (first time they'll get a great look since the insulation is
gone). Point is we have a professional involved. They did mention
that mice aren't likely to chew through drywall. They just don't like
it.
-Basement is mostly dry but now is ready for me to seal every nook and
cranny. Also will be looking for mice entry points.
-have not found evidence of mice protrusion into the rest of the house
except for the attic

Any help/opinions would be very much appreciated.

Thanks,

WoodChuck34


Posted by Steve Barker LT on September 11, 2007, 11:09 am
Give serious consideration to blown in place cellulose. It's better
insulation, it's fire retardant, and also mold and bug resistant. You can
start your research at:

http://www.centralfiber.com/cellins.shtml

steve





> We moved into a 14 year old house 1 year ago and I have been crossing
> items off the honey-do list at a good pace. Last week, SWMBO asked me
> to look at the basement insulation, which we knew had some mice
> issues. The house had sat dorment for about 6 months before we bought
> it (no one crazy enough to do all this work), so the mice had free
> reign. As I started pulling down the fiberglass bats, the fecal
> matter kept raining down. Ultimately, I ripped all of the insulation
> down and still feel that it was the right decision due to the amount
> of droppings.
>
> I have been researching the insulation options and need help. Our
> intention is to finish the basement into a playroom for the kids in
> the near future. I do not want to have to repeat the expense/time of
> ripping down insulation and cleaning the mess again. Right now I'm
> leaning towards gluing rigid foam board insulation inbetween the
> ceiling rafters and either screwing/gluing (or both) a layer of
> drywall directly to the insulation for fire safety issues. The
> drawbacks of the rigid foam as I understand it are that is not as safe
> in a fire as fiberglass and its more expensive, but I don't want to
> create another mouse highway in my basement with fiberglass bats.
>
> My questions are these:
>
> 1. Is the rigid foam and the method I'm considering even going to keep
> the mice out (at least in between the subfloor and the insulation)?
> If not it not worth the expense.
>
> 2. If #1 is yes, is attaching a layer of drywall an adequate fire
> retardent (SWMBO is big on fire safety)
>
> 3. If I use this method and eventually finish the basement; I will be
> installing a drywall ceiling. Is it acceptable to then install a
> drywall ceiling to the rafters (since I will essentially be installing
> a second layer of drywall).
>
>
>
> Here are the other considerations:
>
> -Poured concrete foundation approx 8.5'
> -the plan is to finish the basement, but not necessarily constantly
> heat it, rather just heat it when its being used (I mention this
> because I've read that it isn't even as important to insulate under
> the 1st floor, but might be better to spend the money insulating the
> basement walls instead)
> -we've had an extreminator on contract since the dog "gave" SWMBO a
> mouse in the old house. They have put out poison and are coming
> tomorrow (first time they'll get a great look since the insulation is
> gone). Point is we have a professional involved. They did mention
> that mice aren't likely to chew through drywall. They just don't like
> it.
> -Basement is mostly dry but now is ready for me to seal every nook and
> cranny. Also will be looking for mice entry points.
> -have not found evidence of mice protrusion into the rest of the house
> except for the attic
>
> Any help/opinions would be very much appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> WoodChuck34
>



Posted by Woodchuck34 on September 11, 2007, 11:28 am
wrote:
> Give serious consideration to blown in place cellulose. It's better
> insulation, it's fire retardant, and also mold and bug resistant. You can
> start your research at:
>
> http://www.centralfiber.com/cellins.shtml
>
> steve
>
>
>
>
>
> > We moved into a 14 year old house 1 year ago and I have been crossing
> > items off the honey-do list at a good pace. Last week, SWMBO asked me
> > to look at the basement insulation, which we knew had some mice
> > issues. The house had sat dorment for about 6 months before we bought
> > it (no one crazy enough to do all this work), so the mice had free
> > reign. As I started pulling down the fiberglass bats, the fecal
> > matter kept raining down. Ultimately, I ripped all of the insulation
> > down and still feel that it was the right decision due to the amount
> > of droppings.
>
> > I have been researching the insulation options and need help. Our
> > intention is to finish the basement into a playroom for the kids in
> > the near future. I do not want to have to repeat the expense/time of
> > ripping down insulation and cleaning the mess again. Right now I'm
> > leaning towards gluing rigid foam board insulation inbetween the
> > ceiling rafters and either screwing/gluing (or both) a layer of
> > drywall directly to the insulation for fire safety issues. The
> > drawbacks of the rigid foam as I understand it are that is not as safe
> > in a fire as fiberglass and its more expensive, but I don't want to
> > create another mouse highway in my basement with fiberglass bats.
>
> > My questions are these:
>
> > 1. Is the rigid foam and the method I'm considering even going to keep
> > the mice out (at least in between the subfloor and the insulation)?
> > If not it not worth the expense.
>
> > 2. If #1 is yes, is attaching a layer of drywall an adequate fire
> > retardent (SWMBO is big on fire safety)
>
> > 3. If I use this method and eventually finish the basement; I will be
> > installing a drywall ceiling. Is it acceptable to then install a
> > drywall ceiling to the rafters (since I will essentially be installing
> > a second layer of drywall).
>
> > Here are the other considerations:
>
> > -Poured concrete foundation approx 8.5'
> > -the plan is to finish the basement, but not necessarily constantly
> > heat it, rather just heat it when its being used (I mention this
> > because I've read that it isn't even as important to insulate under
> > the 1st floor, but might be better to spend the money insulating the
> > basement walls instead)
> > -we've had an extreminator on contract since the dog "gave" SWMBO a
> > mouse in the old house. They have put out poison and are coming
> > tomorrow (first time they'll get a great look since the insulation is
> > gone). Point is we have a professional involved. They did mention
> > that mice aren't likely to chew through drywall. They just don't like
> > it.
> > -Basement is mostly dry but now is ready for me to seal every nook and
> > cranny. Also will be looking for mice entry points.
> > -have not found evidence of mice protrusion into the rest of the house
> > except for the attic
>
> > Any help/opinions would be very much appreciated.
>
> > Thanks,
>
> > WoodChuck34- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Steve,

Thanks for the reply. I'm not considering cellulose insulation after
reading the following article:

http://www.askthebuilder.com/054_Cellulose_Vs_Fiberglass_Insulation.shtml

Check the author's notes at the bottom.

Also, Cellulose Insulation would not solve my mouse highway issue. I
couldn't use blown in insulation anyway, because I'm talking about
insulating the ceiling of my basement.

Chuck


Posted by Steve Barker Garage on September 11, 2007, 4:30 pm
I read the article and the note and it's absolutely untrue. the stuff i
referred you to will not burn. Even with a direct flame. Also, putting it
under a floor without a ceiling is not a problem either. They staple up a
special fabric and blow it on top of it. To each his own i suppose. Fight
the fiberglass if you please.

--
Steve Barker


> Steve,
>
> Thanks for the reply. I'm not considering cellulose insulation after
> reading the following article:
>
> http://www.askthebuilder.com/054_Cellulose_Vs_Fiberglass_Insulation.shtml
>
> Check the author's notes at the bottom.
>
> Also, Cellulose Insulation would not solve my mouse highway issue. I
> couldn't use blown in insulation anyway, because I'm talking about
> insulating the ceiling of my basement.
>
> Chuck
>



Posted by HeyBub on September 11, 2007, 11:42 am
Woodchuck34 wrote:

> My questions are these:
>
> 1. Is the rigid foam and the method I'm considering even going to keep
> the mice out (at least in between the subfloor and the insulation)?
> If not it not worth the expense.

I don't think so. Mice can squeeze though an unbelievably small space.
Insulation, I don't think, can be made mouse-proof. Even if the insulation
was air-tight, the mousies would gnaw through it, so you might as well go
with insulating qualities when deciding.

>
> 2. If #1 is yes, is attaching a layer of drywall an adequate fire
> retardent (SWMBO is big on fire safety)

I never heard of a basement burning, so the emphasis on fire retardation is,
perhaps, excessive.

>
> 3. If I use this method and eventually finish the basement; I will be
> installing a drywall ceiling. Is it acceptable to then install a
> drywall ceiling to the rafters (since I will essentially be installing
> a second layer of drywall).

Sure.

>
> Any help/opinions would be very much appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> WoodChuck34

1. Dried mouse droppings in the wall do not need to be removed.

2. Think cat.



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