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Best material for insulating along (inside) basement mudsill blueman3333 01-29-2007
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Posted by blueman on February 5, 2007, 12:04 pm


>
> >> > We seem to be having a fair bit of cold penetration along the basement
> >> > mudsill (above the stone foundation) and between the floor joists.
> >> >
> >> > I would like to insulate and my first thought is to use a combination
> >> > of the 2 inch "pink" rigid insulation (cut to size) plus expanding
> >> > foam insulation to fill remaining irregular gaps.
> >> >
> >> > Any other or better suggestions before I start the project?
> >>
> >> The ideas you have sound OK. Since the draft is coming in through the
> >> floor jouist I would consider getting up there with come regular caulk
> >> and seal all the cracks where the cold can come in. Foam is only
> >> needed for really big cracks.
> >>
> >> At that point you could just use fiberglass bats which are
> >> conveniently sized to fit in the space between the joists. It would
> >> require some type of ceiling to finish however, drywall perhaps. A
> >> finished basment adds to the function and value of the home and
> >> finishing the ceiling is a big step in that direction.
> >
> >Perhaps my explanation is unclear. The area of cold is along the
> >outside *perimeter* of the house at the level of the "mudsill" which
> >in my old house is something like a 4x10 or so resting (irregularly)
> >on top of a 12 inch or more stone foundation. My guess is that a lot
> >of the air is leaking between the inevitable cracks between the
> >irregular foundation and the mudsill. But additional cold is probably
> >penetrating the mudsill itself since wood has a rather poor R-value.
> >
> >So I was proposing to cut (irregular) rectangles of 2" pink rigid
> >insulation to fit between the joists along the perimeter mudsill. Then
> >since everything is rather irregular anyway I was going to use foam to
> >seal between the rigid foam and the surrounding joists, stone
> >foundation and mudsill.
> >
> >Does this explanation help?
>
> Can't you get cannisters of urethane foam and
> just foam the entire rim?

I would love to just foam it but I am worried about two problems.
1. The spray cannisters they sell (at least at home centers) are
rather expensive. Say $7-8 per aerosol can (even the pro-pack stuff
is not much cheaper)
2. It tends to look rather messy and non-professional -- and I don't
think it is just my application technique :)

Do you have any specific suggestions on materials or techniques that
might avoid the abvoe two problems.

Posted by Goedjn on February 5, 2007, 2:04 pm



>>
>> >> > We seem to be having a fair bit of cold penetration along the basement
>> >> > mudsill (above the stone foundation) and between the floor joists.
>> >> >
>> >> > I would like to insulate and my first thought is to use a combination
>> >> > of the 2 inch "pink" rigid insulation (cut to size) plus expanding
>> >> > foam insulation to fill remaining irregular gaps.
>> >> >
>> >> > Any other or better suggestions before I start the project?
>> >>
>> >> The ideas you have sound OK. Since the draft is coming in through the
>> >> floor jouist I would consider getting up there with come regular caulk
>> >> and seal all the cracks where the cold can come in. Foam is only
>> >> needed for really big cracks.
>> >>
>> >> At that point you could just use fiberglass bats which are
>> >> conveniently sized to fit in the space between the joists. It would
>> >> require some type of ceiling to finish however, drywall perhaps. A
>> >> finished basment adds to the function and value of the home and
>> >> finishing the ceiling is a big step in that direction.
>> >
>> >Perhaps my explanation is unclear. The area of cold is along the
>> >outside *perimeter* of the house at the level of the "mudsill" which
>> >in my old house is something like a 4x10 or so resting (irregularly)
>> >on top of a 12 inch or more stone foundation. My guess is that a lot
>> >of the air is leaking between the inevitable cracks between the
>> >irregular foundation and the mudsill. But additional cold is probably
>> >penetrating the mudsill itself since wood has a rather poor R-value.
>> >
>> >So I was proposing to cut (irregular) rectangles of 2" pink rigid
>> >insulation to fit between the joists along the perimeter mudsill. Then
>> >since everything is rather irregular anyway I was going to use foam to
>> >seal between the rigid foam and the surrounding joists, stone
>> >foundation and mudsill.
>> >
>> >Does this explanation help?
>>
>> Can't you get cannisters of urethane foam and
>> just foam the entire rim?
>
>I would love to just foam it but I am worried about two problems.
>1. The spray cannisters they sell (at least at home centers) are
> rather expensive. Say $7-8 per aerosol can (even the pro-pack stuff
> is not much cheaper)
>2. It tends to look rather messy and non-professional -- and I don't
> think it is just my application technique :)
>
>Do you have any specific suggestions on materials or techniques that
>might avoid the abvoe two problems.


They sell the stuff in, not aeresol cans, but in multigallon
cannisters, (two components and some mixing apparatii (apparatae?)

And if it's an unihabbitted space, it doesn't really matter
how uprofessional it looks, and if its' inhabbited, you're
supposed to cover it. In any case, once it's up, you can
carve it to shape with an electric carving knife.

Posted by blueman on February 5, 2007, 11:37 pm


>
> >>
> >> >> > We seem to be having a fair bit of cold penetration along the basement
> >> >> > mudsill (above the stone foundation) and between the floor joists.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I would like to insulate and my first thought is to use a combination
> >> >> > of the 2 inch "pink" rigid insulation (cut to size) plus expanding
> >> >> > foam insulation to fill remaining irregular gaps.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Any other or better suggestions before I start the project?
> >> >>
> >> >> The ideas you have sound OK. Since the draft is coming in through the
> >> >> floor jouist I would consider getting up there with come regular caulk
> >> >> and seal all the cracks where the cold can come in. Foam is only
> >> >> needed for really big cracks.
> >> >>
> >> >> At that point you could just use fiberglass bats which are
> >> >> conveniently sized to fit in the space between the joists. It would
> >> >> require some type of ceiling to finish however, drywall perhaps. A
> >> >> finished basment adds to the function and value of the home and
> >> >> finishing the ceiling is a big step in that direction.
> >> >
> >> >Perhaps my explanation is unclear. The area of cold is along the
> >> >outside *perimeter* of the house at the level of the "mudsill" which
> >> >in my old house is something like a 4x10 or so resting (irregularly)
> >> >on top of a 12 inch or more stone foundation. My guess is that a lot
> >> >of the air is leaking between the inevitable cracks between the
> >> >irregular foundation and the mudsill. But additional cold is probably
> >> >penetrating the mudsill itself since wood has a rather poor R-value.
> >> >
> >> >So I was proposing to cut (irregular) rectangles of 2" pink rigid
> >> >insulation to fit between the joists along the perimeter mudsill. Then
> >> >since everything is rather irregular anyway I was going to use foam to
> >> >seal between the rigid foam and the surrounding joists, stone
> >> >foundation and mudsill.
> >> >
> >> >Does this explanation help?
> >>
> >> Can't you get cannisters of urethane foam and
> >> just foam the entire rim?
> >
> >I would love to just foam it but I am worried about two problems.
> >1. The spray cannisters they sell (at least at home centers) are
> > rather expensive. Say $7-8 per aerosol can (even the pro-pack stuff
> > is not much cheaper)
> >2. It tends to look rather messy and non-professional -- and I don't
> > think it is just my application technique :)
> >
> >Do you have any specific suggestions on materials or techniques that
> >might avoid the abvoe two problems.
>
>
> They sell the stuff in, not aeresol cans, but in multigallon
> cannisters, (two components and some mixing apparatii (apparatae?)

Oh, you mean the REAL stuff :)
Do you know whether you can rent the mixing apparatus for a reasonable
price since I am only doing a small area so no real interest in
spending big $$$ for whole-house sized equipment.

>
> And if it's an unihabbitted space, it doesn't really matter
> how uprofessional it looks, and if its' inhabbited, you're
> supposed to cover it. In any case, once it's up, you can
> carve it to shape with an electric carving knife.

I know they sell expensive special purpose ones, but again can you
either rent or get some reasonably good low-cost alternative.

Posted by edee em on February 12, 2007, 9:05 am


Are you doing this repair from the inside? If so, I did exactly what you
are proposing. The only difference is that I put a good size bead of
caulking on all four seams of the space and smushed the poly board into it.

A more recent example is to cut the foam a bit smaller then the opening
leaving say about a half inch gap all around and then going back with the
spray foam to fill in the voids. Much easier then trying to get tight fits
with the foam board.

>> > We seem to be having a fair bit of cold penetration along the basement
>> > mudsill (above the stone foundation) and between the floor joists.
>> >
>> > I would like to insulate and my first thought is to use a combination
>> > of the 2 inch "pink" rigid insulation (cut to size) plus expanding
>> > foam insulation to fill remaining irregular gaps.
>> >
>> > Any other or better suggestions before I start the project?
>>
>> The ideas you have sound OK. Since the draft is coming in through the
>> floor jouist I would consider getting up there with come regular caulk
>> and seal all the cracks where the cold can come in. Foam is only
>> needed for really big cracks.
>>
>> At that point you could just use fiberglass bats which are
>> conveniently sized to fit in the space between the joists. It would
>> require some type of ceiling to finish however, drywall perhaps. A
>> finished basment adds to the function and value of the home and
>> finishing the ceiling is a big step in that direction.
>
> Perhaps my explanation is unclear. The area of cold is along the
> outside *perimeter* of the house at the level of the "mudsill" which
> in my old house is something like a 4x10 or so resting (irregularly)
> on top of a 12 inch or more stone foundation. My guess is that a lot
> of the air is leaking between the inevitable cracks between the
> irregular foundation and the mudsill. But additional cold is probably
> penetrating the mudsill itself since wood has a rather poor R-value.
>
> So I was proposing to cut (irregular) rectangles of 2" pink rigid
> insulation to fit between the joists along the perimeter mudsill. Then
> since everything is rather irregular anyway I was going to use foam to
> seal between the rigid foam and the surrounding joists, stone
> foundation and mudsill.
>
> Does this explanation help?



Posted by LayPerson Tom on January 30, 2007, 1:24 pm


wrote:

>We seem to be having a fair bit of cold penetration along the basement
>mudsill (above the stone foundation) and between the floor joists.
>
>I would like to insulate and my first thought is to use a combination
>of the 2 inch "pink" rigid insulation (cut to size) plus expanding
>foam insulation to fill remaining irregular gaps.
>
>Any other or better suggestions before I start the project?
>
>Thanks


imho:

I'm guessing as long as you aren't using the fiber glass to stop
drafts. I've learned from my house, that I can insulate the heck out
of something, but drafts will make areas still feel cold.

For the foam stuff, I like the dap latex stuff. It cleans up well.


tom @ www.BlankHelp.com



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