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Bootlegging Lightbulbs sparechange 05-20-2008
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Posted by Kurt Ullman on May 21, 2008, 7:19 am


> T
> They tried it that way in Canada, govt.-run insurance, actually a bunch of
> provincial plans with much of the funding being federal. Private insurance
> is allowed only for things the govt. insurance doesn't cover, e.g. if you
> want a private room or some kinds of rehab. The problem is the monthly fee
> is so low it can't begin to cover the real cost, so greater and greater
> amounts of tax money are needed. When the govt. doesn't cough up the money
> because they're afraid to raise taxes the system starts to come unglued as
> it very publically did in Canada a few years ago when someone sued over not
> being able to get private insurance to provide timely treatment. It went
> all the way to the supreme court which found delays in treatment (including
> life-threatening delays) were widespread. Sooner or late somebody is going
> to have to bite the bullet and announce that if Canadians want universal
> health care as in say Denmark then they're going to have to pay the same
> sort of taxes, presumably the party that does that won't win the next
> election.
Which, of course, is reason number one to NOT get the
government involved. Politics would rear its ugly head and there is
nowhere else to go. The other thing is that there are well documented
differences in payment per person, payment overall, care, etc., between
the various provinces. They Supremes in Canada said that "access to a
waiting list is not access to healthcare". Yet every system, even the
one in say Denmark has to ration care in some manner. By money, by the
queue like in Canada, by slower uptake on newer treatments, etc. etc.
etc.


>
> On the other hand those Americans who have no coverage of any kind would
> probably prefer the Canadian model with all its flaws. It's also worth
> noting that many employers prefer to build plants in places like Canada
> because it costs them so much less due to not having to pay for employee
> insurance. Apparently it costs GM $1,200 less to build a car in Canada than
> in the U.S.--great, another way to export American jobs.
They have to pay for insurance through taxes. The real savings for
the automakers is that the government program makes it illegal to have
any kind of outside insurance. Thus in Canada, the automakers were
allowed (nay mandated) to walk away from some rather poor decisions in
the 70s and 80s when it was actually cheaper to give health insurance
than real wages. I have absolutely no compassion for the automakers and
other big businesses.
>
>

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Posted by Telstra on May 20, 2008, 8:16 am
How about a false petrol tank full of INCANS and some
of those oil sprays so you can make the revenue boys
run of the road and then a couple of thomsons to finish
them off.

> Back in the 1960's it seemed like a big deal to illegally get some
> beer or cigarettes before we were of legal age. Then came the
> bootlegged recordings of rock concerts, which everyone enjoyed. Of
> course most boomers at least occasionally enjoyed some bootlegged
> marijuana. Back then, it seemed pretty normal to partake in these
> illegal activities, because almost everyone did it.
>
> But who would have ever suspected that in the first and second decade
> of the 2000's people would have to bootleg lightbulbs? The government
> plans to take away our incandescent lightbulbs, and replace them with
> compact florescents, to save energy. Don't get me wrong, I do support
> energy conservation. After all, we only have one earth to live in, so
> we must all do what we can to eliminate pollution and environmental
> damage. At the same time, I like to save money on my utility bills.
>
> However, compact florescent bulbs have their limitations. They do not
> provide the same amount of light, they often produce a color that is
> unacceptable, they contain mercury, so they add to harmful pollution,
> they are known to occasionally ignite and cause fires, they can not be
> used on a dimmer, they do not function well in cold weather in
> unheated buildings, and the biggest complaint seems to be the amount
> of time they take to get to full brightness.
>
> I know this for fact after putting some of them in my garage. I'd
> walk in the garage to grab a plyers and a few bolts out of my bucket
> of odds and ends. I'd find myself standing there for 5 minutes,
> waiting for the CF bulbs to get bright enough to see the contents of
> my bucket, or find the plyers in my cramped tool box. I dont know
> about you, but I become really irritated when I am trying to get
> something done, and have to stare into near darkness waiting to be
> able to see what I'm trying to do. In the winter these bulbs were
> almost useless, and never got to full brightness due to the cold. I
> lived with these bulbs for a full year, before I finally had enough,
> and put back standard, cheap incandescent bulbs. Now I can walk in my
> garage, have instant light, and be back to the house with my items, in
> the time I was spending waiting for these CF bulbs to get bright.
>
> On a more positive note, I do find that the CF bulbs are efficient in
> lights that are left on for hours. For example, I leave at least two
> lights turned on in the house all night, mostly for safety when we
> have to go to the bathroom or something while half asleep. In this
> case, they do consume less power and are plenty bright for a safety
> light. Of course, I still am concerned about the fire hazzard they
> can cause.
>
> I want to do my part in conserving energy, but I am not willing to
> cope with CF bulbs in my garage or in cold weather. I am not willing
> to pay the price of these bulbs, which never last as long as they
> claim, and in most cases have the same life expectancy as a 25 cents
> standard bulb, and I am worried about thier fire dangers as well as
> exposure to mercury if one breaks.
>
> I forsee the day coming when I and many other people will be
> bootlegging incandescent bulbs from other countries, because the US
> government will no longer allow them to be sold.
>
> I'm afraid it won't stop there either. What will be the next products
> the govt takes away from us? They already took away many of the older
> automotive solvents (such as carb cleaner), and replaced them with
> nearly useless solvents that dont work. They banned the original
> treated lumber, leaving us with *NEW* treated lumber that now rots as
> well eating up nails, unless we spend a fortune for stainless steel
> nails. Whats next? Will it be laundry detergent or paper plates, or
> toilets? Will we soon all have to stop using computers and other
> electronics because they contain chemicals, are we all heading back to
> the days of candles for light, wood for heat, a hand pump for water,
> and a horse and buggy for transportation, and a creek and some rocks
> for doing laundry? It sure seems this way.
>
> Does anyone want to join me in my horse and buggy caravan to make a
> trip to Mexico to bootleg some lightbulbs? The round trip will take
> three months, or longer if the weather is poor. We'll risk going to
> prison as we cross the border, but if we are successful, we'll bring
> back 50 cases of bulbs in our horse drawn buggies and will make
> $50,000 when we get back, since each case will be worth $1000 on the
> black market. Sorry, pot smokers will not be allowed to join us.
>


Posted by Telstra on May 20, 2008, 8:19 am
In New Zealand we pay 22 cents / kWhr so i love power
savers YOU BETCHA

> Back in the 1960's it seemed like a big deal to illegally get some
> beer or cigarettes before we were of legal age. Then came the
> bootlegged recordings of rock concerts, which everyone enjoyed. Of
> course most boomers at least occasionally enjoyed some bootlegged
> marijuana. Back then, it seemed pretty normal to partake in these
> illegal activities, because almost everyone did it.
>
> But who would have ever suspected that in the first and second decade
> of the 2000's people would have to bootleg lightbulbs? The government
> plans to take away our incandescent lightbulbs, and replace them with
> compact florescents, to save energy. Don't get me wrong, I do support
> energy conservation. After all, we only have one earth to live in, so
> we must all do what we can to eliminate pollution and environmental
> damage. At the same time, I like to save money on my utility bills.
>
> However, compact florescent bulbs have their limitations. They do not
> provide the same amount of light, they often produce a color that is
> unacceptable, they contain mercury, so they add to harmful pollution,
> they are known to occasionally ignite and cause fires, they can not be
> used on a dimmer, they do not function well in cold weather in
> unheated buildings, and the biggest complaint seems to be the amount
> of time they take to get to full brightness.
>
> I know this for fact after putting some of them in my garage. I'd
> walk in the garage to grab a plyers and a few bolts out of my bucket
> of odds and ends. I'd find myself standing there for 5 minutes,
> waiting for the CF bulbs to get bright enough to see the contents of
> my bucket, or find the plyers in my cramped tool box. I dont know
> about you, but I become really irritated when I am trying to get
> something done, and have to stare into near darkness waiting to be
> able to see what I'm trying to do. In the winter these bulbs were
> almost useless, and never got to full brightness due to the cold. I
> lived with these bulbs for a full year, before I finally had enough,
> and put back standard, cheap incandescent bulbs. Now I can walk in my
> garage, have instant light, and be back to the house with my items, in
> the time I was spending waiting for these CF bulbs to get bright.
>
> On a more positive note, I do find that the CF bulbs are efficient in
> lights that are left on for hours. For example, I leave at least two
> lights turned on in the house all night, mostly for safety when we
> have to go to the bathroom or something while half asleep. In this
> case, they do consume less power and are plenty bright for a safety
> light. Of course, I still am concerned about the fire hazzard they
> can cause.
>
> I want to do my part in conserving energy, but I am not willing to
> cope with CF bulbs in my garage or in cold weather. I am not willing
> to pay the price of these bulbs, which never last as long as they
> claim, and in most cases have the same life expectancy as a 25 cents
> standard bulb, and I am worried about thier fire dangers as well as
> exposure to mercury if one breaks.
>
> I forsee the day coming when I and many other people will be
> bootlegging incandescent bulbs from other countries, because the US
> government will no longer allow them to be sold.
>
> I'm afraid it won't stop there either. What will be the next products
> the govt takes away from us? They already took away many of the older
> automotive solvents (such as carb cleaner), and replaced them with
> nearly useless solvents that dont work. They banned the original
> treated lumber, leaving us with *NEW* treated lumber that now rots as
> well eating up nails, unless we spend a fortune for stainless steel
> nails. Whats next? Will it be laundry detergent or paper plates, or
> toilets? Will we soon all have to stop using computers and other
> electronics because they contain chemicals, are we all heading back to
> the days of candles for light, wood for heat, a hand pump for water,
> and a horse and buggy for transportation, and a creek and some rocks
> for doing laundry? It sure seems this way.
>
> Does anyone want to join me in my horse and buggy caravan to make a
> trip to Mexico to bootleg some lightbulbs? The round trip will take
> three months, or longer if the weather is poor. We'll risk going to
> prison as we cross the border, but if we are successful, we'll bring
> back 50 cases of bulbs in our horse drawn buggies and will make
> $50,000 when we get back, since each case will be worth $1000 on the
> black market. Sorry, pot smokers will not be allowed to join us.
>


Posted by dadiOH on May 20, 2008, 9:10 am
sparechange@the_net.com wrote:

> After all, we only have one earth to live in, so
> we must all do what we can to eliminate pollution and environmental
> damage.

Fewer people would be a good start. Instead of tax deductions/credits for
kids let's start taxing them.
____________

> Does anyone want to join me in my horse and buggy caravan to make a
> trip to Mexico to bootleg some lightbulbs?

Good place to get them...most stores have a hot, non-screw in socket by the
bulbs so they can be checked before buying. And no, no one sticks their
finger into the socket - who would be that dumb?


--

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Posted by Mike Dobony on May 20, 2008, 9:18 am
On Tue, 20 May 2008 06:00:23 -0500, sparechange@the_net.com wrote:

> Back in the 1960's it seemed like a big deal to illegally get some
> beer or cigarettes before we were of legal age. Then came the
> bootlegged recordings of rock concerts, which everyone enjoyed. Of
> course most boomers at least occasionally enjoyed some bootlegged
> marijuana. Back then, it seemed pretty normal to partake in these
> illegal activities, because almost everyone did it.
>
> But who would have ever suspected that in the first and second decade
> of the 2000's people would have to bootleg lightbulbs? The government
> plans to take away our incandescent lightbulbs, and replace them with
> compact florescents, to save energy. Don't get me wrong, I do support
> energy conservation. After all, we only have one earth to live in, so
> we must all do what we can to eliminate pollution and environmental
> damage. At the same time, I like to save money on my utility bills.
>
> However, compact florescent bulbs have their limitations. They do not
> provide the same amount of light, they often produce a color that is
> unacceptable, they contain mercury, so they add to harmful pollution,
> they are known to occasionally ignite and cause fires, they can not be
> used on a dimmer, they do not function well in cold weather in
> unheated buildings, and the biggest complaint seems to be the amount
> of time they take to get to full brightness.
>
> I know this for fact after putting some of them in my garage. I'd
> walk in the garage to grab a plyers and a few bolts out of my bucket
> of odds and ends. I'd find myself standing there for 5 minutes,
> waiting for the CF bulbs to get bright enough to see the contents of
> my bucket, or find the plyers in my cramped tool box. I dont know
> about you, but I become really irritated when I am trying to get
> something done, and have to stare into near darkness waiting to be
> able to see what I'm trying to do. In the winter these bulbs were
> almost useless, and never got to full brightness due to the cold. I
> lived with these bulbs for a full year, before I finally had enough,
> and put back standard, cheap incandescent bulbs. Now I can walk in my
> garage, have instant light, and be back to the house with my items, in
> the time I was spending waiting for these CF bulbs to get bright.
>
> On a more positive note, I do find that the CF bulbs are efficient in
> lights that are left on for hours. For example, I leave at least two
> lights turned on in the house all night, mostly for safety when we
> have to go to the bathroom or something while half asleep. In this
> case, they do consume less power and are plenty bright for a safety
> light. Of course, I still am concerned about the fire hazzard they
> can cause.
>
> I want to do my part in conserving energy, but I am not willing to
> cope with CF bulbs in my garage or in cold weather. I am not willing
> to pay the price of these bulbs, which never last as long as they
> claim, and in most cases have the same life expectancy as a 25 cents
> standard bulb, and I am worried about thier fire dangers as well as
> exposure to mercury if one breaks.
>
> I forsee the day coming when I and many other people will be
> bootlegging incandescent bulbs from other countries, because the US
> government will no longer allow them to be sold.
>
> I'm afraid it won't stop there either. What will be the next products
> the govt takes away from us? They already took away many of the older
> automotive solvents (such as carb cleaner), and replaced them with
> nearly useless solvents that dont work. They banned the original
> treated lumber, leaving us with *NEW* treated lumber that now rots as
> well eating up nails, unless we spend a fortune for stainless steel
> nails. Whats next? Will it be laundry detergent or paper plates, or
> toilets? Will we soon all have to stop using computers and other
> electronics because they contain chemicals, are we all heading back to
> the days of candles for light, wood for heat, a hand pump for water,
> and a horse and buggy for transportation, and a creek and some rocks
> for doing laundry? It sure seems this way.
>
> Does anyone want to join me in my horse and buggy caravan to make a
> trip to Mexico to bootleg some lightbulbs? The round trip will take
> three months, or longer if the weather is poor. We'll risk going to
> prison as we cross the border, but if we are successful, we'll bring
> back 50 cases of bulbs in our horse drawn buggies and will make
> $50,000 when we get back, since each case will be worth $1000 on the
> black market. Sorry, pot smokers will not be allowed to join us.


How about just getting rid of the morons in congress, like Kennedy and
Kerry and Sharpton, etc.?

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